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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8th 1947

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying disk has been found and is now

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in the possession of the

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army if the game is rigged change the

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i occasionally think how quickly

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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it is i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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changer and on x networks i am your host

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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maria clark has got the fade to black

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uh american horror story

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that's got to be where did you get that

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that's from maria clark well done well

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investigators uh in the country she's

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uh in three weeks at the lax hilton the

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links for the conscious life expo are in

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the website we have it throughout social

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person ginormous the biggest conference

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life you know it is such a big event and

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things so come and hang out with us at

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uh let's jump straight into it everybody

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einstein the crystalskull.com

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use the promo code jimmy for 10 off of

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your crystal skull order today she's got

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as we get things locked down i've got

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all this other stuff but i may be

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let's let's clink some crystals i said

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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the sandbox which is live to my right

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right in front of me is hashtag f2b

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right there on twitter

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hashtag f2bq hello to everybody watching

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and listening all around the world let's

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get to the breaking news

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sad announced yesterday bob saget

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the comedian and actor known as the

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wholesome patriarch danny tanner on the

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sitcom full house

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has left this planet bob was found dead

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carlton orlando grand lakes florida the

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which stated they found no evidence of

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drug use or foul play in the otherwise

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the eccentric millionaire who fascinated

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documentary series the jinx

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to his first wife

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about 100 ostriches

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let me start that over

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because i started to laugh about 100

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ostriches

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they broke out of their farm and paraded

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about 20 are still at large and it is

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about the funniest video

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after heavy rain in australia brought on

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by tropical cyclone seth last week

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a damaged levee system failed and caused

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sharknado comes to australia

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a crew of american sailors on the uss

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sirocco who were on a mission in the

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gulf of oman last month rescued a group

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of mariners after their boat caught fire

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u.s officials said the troubled mariners

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were a group of five iranian nationals

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about 15 million dollars worth of drugs

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that they had uncovered the skeleton of

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an extinct prehistoric reptile predator

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complete ever discovered in the united

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and that fossil measured over 32 feet

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long and has a six-foot skull weighing

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around a ton

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it lived about 180 million years ago

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during the jurassic period when

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dinosaurs

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walked the land and apparently

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swam in the sea

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let's get to show crack and happy

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birthday to today rod stewart

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is 77.

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pat benatar

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today

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is 69. now normally i go what's your

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favorite rod stewart song i'm gonna go

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people get ready but

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maggie may and you did that in one take

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by the way i get it pat benatar

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that's that's a little tougher for me

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i like everything that pat did

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oh man i'm gonna let that go right there

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drum god ainsley dumbar today is 76 play

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for frank zappa jeff beck

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journey and of course jefferson starship

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steely dance donald fagan today

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74 years old and guitar god

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michael shanker

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today

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there's only one

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jim croci 1943 to 1973 died at the age

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of 30. between 1966 and 1973

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jim released five studio albums during

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this period he had to take a series of

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odd jobs to pay the bills feed his

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family

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while he continued to write record and

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perform concerts but he was broke his

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breakthrough came in 1972 with his third

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album you don't mess around with jim

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produced three charting singles

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including time in a bottle which reached

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number one

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after his death the follow-up album life

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and times continued the song

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uh contained the song bad bad leroy

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brown which was the only number one hit

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he had during his lifetime

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then on september 20th 1973 at the

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height of his popularity and the day

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before the lead single to his fifth

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album i got a name was released

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jim and five others died in a plane

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crash

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on this day in history

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i'll never forget this

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it was the year 2000

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america online inc

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announces plans to acquire time warner

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inc

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for 182 billion dollars in stock and

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debt

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the result was a 350 billion dollar mega

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corporation

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aol time warner which held dominant

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positions in every type of media

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including music publishing news

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entertainment cable and of course the

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internet

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in 2002

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aol time warner reported a quarterly

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loss a quarterly loss

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of 54

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billion dollars the largest ever for a

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u.s company

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seven years later time warner

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drop kicked aol

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in 2009

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fader fact

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in 2019

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scientists

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discover the world's oldest known work

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of art on soloisy an island in indonesia

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it was created

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44 000 years ago

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that's your fader fact tonight we

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welcome very special guest micah hanks

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mike hanks is here i'm so looking

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forward to this conversation

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here for a complete deep dive into dc

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uaps in the year

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2022. tomorrow night emily harrison

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right here on fade to black we're going

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to be discussing the akashic records

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wednesday night it's serena wright

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taylor and susan slaughter

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in the 2022 conscious life expo thursday

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is fader night yeah we didn't have fader

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night last week linda molten house

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stopped by

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this week it's fader night with open

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lines all night long all right let me

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rivermoonwellness.com

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hit me with your best shot madeline says

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that's her yeah i know i know i know

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i know i'm with you on that i want to

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know where uh the uh

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the fade to black

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came from

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and maria clark didn't reply yet where

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did you get i i made a gift from

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oh

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okay thank you

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she made a gift from the american horror

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story intro thank you so much

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thank

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you see that's all that's going to get a

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reply here i'll let everybody see this

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i'll even hashtag my reply

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because

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it's monday

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there you go

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so everybody can see it that's cool

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thank you for that maria very cool all

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right uh

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yeah

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all right

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man good cup of coffee today it's almost

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not according to micah hanks

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all right

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sometimes i just gotta talk

417
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like right now sometimes i just gotta

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just let it rip

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and

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here we go

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for some reason

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i have always been fascinated with the

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universe

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some of my earliest memories

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are about what is out there and the end

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of it all

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i mean i was probably five years old

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when i first had visions of a brick wall

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at the edge of things

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right seriously and i'm not sure what

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made me create this picture in my mind

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this brick wall

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but i've heard others speak of it too

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which means that there must have been

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something on tv back then to cause the

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brick wall thing but

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but i've never stopped thinking about

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the universe

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now although i continue with my research

440
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:55,440
into the edge of everything

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and its expansion into infinity faster

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00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:01,679
than the speed of light i'm equally as

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intrigued about the opposite

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the beginning

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of it all

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i just finished michio kaku's new book

447
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it's called the god equation

448
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:16,880
which was uh it's not that new new it

449
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:20,400
was released back in april of 2021

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but and he covers all the normal stuff

451
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right black holes wormholes portals

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other universes

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time travel dark energy and matter and

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for the first time

455
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:35,520
he talks about what was going on

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before

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the big bang

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you see

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most physicists

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won't talk about it

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00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:46,240
you know what happened before the big

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bang

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in fact for the most part they ignore it

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they don't like to be asked about it

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they don't because they don't know but

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uh

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michio

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decided to at least bring it up

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good for him

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but he didn't go far enough

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00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,159
he almost did though and i could tell

472
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:12,559
he was right there man he was he was

473
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:15,039
right there was he probably did some

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00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:17,360
editing and removed what he really meant

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00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,480
to say but here's the deal

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i challenge

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any physicist

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to at least agree

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that there was something

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before the big bang

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to suggest that there was absolutely

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nothing before the big bang just doesn't

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make any sense

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in that

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00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,480
time didn't start

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with the big bang

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the age of the universe

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started

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right

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but time itself nah

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nah that's forever as in

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for

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ever

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00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,799
time is truly infinite

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so

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what is 13.8 billion years

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in forever time

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nothing

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what is a big bang

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in forever time it's the same thing it's

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nothing

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big bangs

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have to have happened

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an infinite

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amount of times

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and when ours happened

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there must have been leftover stars

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galaxies matter all sorts of things

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floating around from

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00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:35,840
well

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00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:38,640
another universe that was already there

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when the new stuff decided to explode

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this is

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in my opinion

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the next subject to be explored in

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astrophysics

517
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and to take things a step further

518
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:59,200
what if

519
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:00,159
there

520
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,720
was another big bang

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like right here right now

522
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in the middle of or next to

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our

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now think about this

525
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,400
all that is needed for this to happen

526
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you need some gravity

527
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:25,840
you need some high temperatures really

528
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,840
high temperatures you need you need a

529
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few gases

530
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you need some particles

531
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and boom

532
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:36,720
you got yourself a big bang

533
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,919
as far as i can tell

534
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all of the ingredients needed for the

535
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recipe are here

536
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and they're

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pretty much everywhere

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all the time

539
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just like they were 13.8

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billion years ago and before that

541
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and before that and that

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00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:01,120
forever

543
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,200
is a very long time

544
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:07,120
seriously

545
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:09,520
when the big bang

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00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,750
what was there blackness nothing ever

547
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:21,110
no there was and is

548
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:23,760
something else there

549
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:28,000
what if and i'm not in any way being

550
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:31,360
facetious i'm being very serious

551
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:35,520
big bang goes off and who's to say

552
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,799
that it wasn't in the middle of a

553
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:38,960
previous universe

554
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:41,600
number one number two

555
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:49,830
right not a couple how about trillions

556
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:53,919
you know a a galaxy floating around

557
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:56,480
from another universe that had expanded

558
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,679
at the speed of light and then some

559
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,880
you know rushing through our space in

560
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,470
to suggest that there was nothing before

561
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:10,320
the big bang

562
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:15,600
is nuts and michio almost went there

563
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:16,960
almost

564
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:20,799
to try to convince everybody

565
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,919
that before the big bang there was

566
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:25,440
nothing

567
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,000
lawrence krauss

568
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:30,640
now defamed and you know he's canceled

569
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:33,200
and all of that that's his own fault but

570
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:34,960
but lawrence i mean

571
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:37,919
it was probably his last book

572
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,919
was titled

573
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,600
something

574
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:43,520
from nothing

575
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:44,960
and that's exactly what the book is

576
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:45,760
about

577
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:48,320
that all of this came from nothing and

578
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,269
i say

579
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:55,039
they are wrong

580
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,399
and we now need to start talking about

581
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,320
what was around

582
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,480
before the big bang

583
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and the the possibility of another one

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happening at any time

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because they have been going on

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forever

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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black

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tonight we welcome very special guest

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micah hanks he will be with us in a

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couple of minutes at the bottom of the

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hour we are going to do a complete deep

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dive into washington dc all of it

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the agencies the military the department

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of defense the amendments the ndaa

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uaps and what is going to go down in

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2022

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tomorrow night right here emily harrison

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joins us first time guest by the way

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we are going to be discussing the

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akashic records that's right what are

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they where are they

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how do you get to them what can you do

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with them

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all of that tomorrow night then

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wednesday night serena my taylor and

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susan slaughter are with us we're going

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to be talking about the 2022

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conscious life expo thursday's another

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fader night with open lines all night

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long i'm yours jimmy church this is fade

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to black and the game changer and on x

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hanks after this short break stay with

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church tonight micah hanks is here

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it's gonna be a barn burner everyone

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yeah big buildup

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big buildup

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we call that in radio

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[Laughter]

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00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:08,880
mike gangs is here we're going to be

712
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:11,680
doing a deep dive in all things 2022

713
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,400
when it comes to uaps lots to talk about

714
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,040
i've been following uh all of his

715
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,520
research and articles on this

716
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,119
and uh i couldn't wait to get him on the

717
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:24,000
show and it took me two weeks

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00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,280
two weeks

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00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:27,359
to get a hold of micah hanks

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00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:30,720
man normally normally normally

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00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:32,960
i i put out a phone call i put out a

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text i get a response in

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15 seconds

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00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,520
it took two weeks

725
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:41,920
to hear back from micah hanks

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00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,880
yeah

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00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:45,040
mike is a writer he's a podcaster he's a

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00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:46,560
history fanatic he's a science

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00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:47,920
enthusiast

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00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:51,040
he's a philosophy junkie his areas of

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00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,079
focus include uh current events

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00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,119
formula one race car thriving he is

733
00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:59,119
thoroughly into formula one race car

734
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:02,480
driving uh antique guitars and of course

735
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,839
his family he studies

736
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:07,920
technology unexplained phenomena and the

737
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,720
ways that the future of man can mankind

738
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,440
will be influenced by innovation in the

739
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,839
coming decades he's the author of

740
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:18,079
several books he's been on coast to

741
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:19,599
coast am

742
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:22,000
caravan at midnight he's got his own

743
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:24,800
radio show he's got his own podcast he's

744
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written the ghost rockets mysticism and

745
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:28,800
the molecule you know what i'm gonna

746
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:31,359
bypass all of this and say you know what

747
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,480
that's the longest bio ever and i've got

748
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,720
to edit that thing down micah how you

749
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:38,079
doing my brother

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00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,079
i'm good yeah i mean at this point i was

751
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:41,920
wondering why you don't just say uh my

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00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:43,839
brother from another

753
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,240
i know right i know i know see and this

754
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:48,079
is the other thing

755
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,200
um i get nervous when you're on the show

756
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:53,280
i get i and nobody makes me nervous like

757
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,720
micah hanks does

758
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,640
you're perfect

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00:37:02,310 --> 00:36:59,040
you're a professional you've been at

760
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,320
this for a very long time and uh you're

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00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,040
you're you're as uh as cool as the cool

762
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:07,200
side of the pillow man and and your

763
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,320
research now this is this is uh

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00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,119
i kind of want to start off here though

765
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,000
your research has always been great

766
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:18,400
and and i followed you for a very long

767
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:20,960
time we talk about that enough but

768
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:24,560
uh for you to continue and take it

769
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,760
further

770
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:27,119
and deeper

771
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:29,040
with the debrief

772
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:32,240
i mean i i didn't think it was possible

773
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:36,960
but you guys in in very short order um

774
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,400
have not only uh become a success

775
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,720
but you guys are what everybody is

776
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,640
turning to now

777
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:46,400
uh that's a that's a lot of pressure do

778
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:49,520
you feel it do you feel smarter

779
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,800
do you walk taller

780
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,800
well no i'm still the same shoe size

781
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,480
still the same height

782
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:58,880
you know i'll tell you this back i

783
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:01,520
remember when i was in my 20s

784
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:03,760
i would have those sensations you know i

785
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,119
would read

786
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:08,160
for an entire weekend and come away from

787
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,000
you know a deep dive with some sort of a

788
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:12,000
sense that i have now struck the main

789
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,760
nerve and i now know

790
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:15,200
what it's all about

791
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:16,720
the older i get

792
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:20,000
the less i feel like i know even though

793
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:22,960
over time the amount of knowledge you

794
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:24,560
know that i possess inevitably is

795
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:25,760
growing

796
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:27,040
and i think that that's just something

797
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:28,640
that comes with maturation you know the

798
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:31,280
older you get the more you realize that

799
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:33,359
there's so much this world

800
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:34,960
to know to learn

801
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,119
the more i'm exposed to that the more

802
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:39,520
information i take in you know the

803
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:41,040
smaller i feel

804
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:42,880
right in the grand scheme of things and

805
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:45,040
so it's very cosmic experience at times

806
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,839
really a very humbling experience

807
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:49,280
as my debrief

808
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,960
cohorts know

809
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:52,320
we joke about me going up on the

810
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:53,839
mountain and sometimes disappearing for

811
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,359
a few days but i mean in a very true

812
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:57,280
sense i'm like luke skywalker up there

813
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,800
on the mountain

814
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,560
and as much as we joke about it i mean i

815
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:03,119
have to take breaks and go and

816
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,119
you know kind of find balance and kind

817
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,960
of reconnect with

818
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,640
you know myself

819
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:10,400
right through meditation and things like

820
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,920
this because i mean first of all there's

821
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,440
so much information we are we are

822
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,599
bombarded by media

823
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,599
from every angle on every device that we

824
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:19,280
have in our homes in our pockets and our

825
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:20,640
cars

826
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:22,960
you know we are constantly being exposed

827
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:24,800
to information and

828
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:26,160
you know i think in order to really

829
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,599
understand what's going on you've got to

830
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:29,440
be able to access that information but

831
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:31,760
then cut that off turn that off step

832
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:32,960
away

833
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:34,640
and come back and go okay now what does

834
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,839
it all mean

835
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,040
that's the part i think that a lot of

836
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,200
people these days are kind of missing

837
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:41,040
in the sense that everybody

838
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,040
stays on their devices they stay plugged

839
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:45,359
in you know they're waiting for the next

840
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,880
big news to drop so that they can tweet

841
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,000
about it and be the first person to

842
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,560
tweet about it and go viral

843
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,200
and you know after a while

844
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:54,960
i mean i get i get swept up in that just

845
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,720
as badly as anybody else but i mean at

846
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:58,880
some point i began to realize and hear a

847
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:01,920
guy you know who co-launched this media

848
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:03,599
site which is trying to actually break

849
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,880
stories and things i mean it's very

850
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:07,119
paradoxical to be the person saying this

851
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:08,720
but i talk with tim mcmillan about this

852
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:09,760
all the time

853
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:11,359
at some point i began to realize you

854
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,400
know there is the important side of news

855
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:16,079
the importance the incredible importance

856
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,599
which i know this resonates with you

857
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:19,599
especially jimmy

858
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,040
you know the importance of everything

859
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,280
that has happened in 2021 and that is

860
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,520
awaiting us as we move into 2022 with

861
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,079
the uap topic and with other things too

862
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:29,680
but then there's the side of it where

863
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,640
it's like

864
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,800
are we more concerned about

865
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:35,040
being that first person to go viral the

866
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,560
first person on twitter to be able to

867
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,480
retweet it or are we really concerned

868
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:40,880
with the magnitude of what's happening

869
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:41,760
the

870
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,680
what this all means for our lives

871
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:47,680
outside of social media and avatars that

872
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:50,319
we have online that people recognize as

873
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,880
being representative of us right right

874
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:54,480
so so i have to go up on the mountain i

875
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,760
have to meditate i have to try and

876
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,119
reconnect and go

877
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:58,720
okay what does all this mean and i got

878
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,359
to tell you 2021 i think will be

879
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:03,680
remembered as one of the most important

880
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,520
years of our lives i agree

881
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:09,359
i agree we're gonna history is gonna

882
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,800
look back uh at 2021 uh when it comes to

883
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,040
uh well actually world history in

884
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:19,680
general but certainly the ufo and uap

885
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:20,720
question

886
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:23,680
and before we move forward i want to i

887
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:26,400
want to back up about 10 years

888
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,599
with you

889
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,200
where

890
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:31,920
you seemed to

891
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,079
and i i want you to take this the wrong

892
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:36,160
way okay i want you to take this the

893
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:37,280
wrong way

894
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,880
you seem to be very confident

895
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,880
that you were starting to figure things

896
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,280
out when it came to ufos and you had

897
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:47,280
answers

898
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:48,960
how wrong were you

899
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:52,240
here we are in 2022.

900
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:53,839
uh

901
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:56,480
and you know where i'm going with this

902
00:42:03,030 --> 00:41:58,960
you know it's it's so evolving and

903
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:05,510
i think that

904
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:08,400
let's go back to 2012. okay back then

905
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,200
ancient aliens was really really hot and

906
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,680
there was a lot of discussion about that

907
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,200
there was also a lot of discussion about

908
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,599
ufos there always has been especially

909
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,760
within ufo circles it only really kind

910
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,599
of re-entered the mainstream in recent

911
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:23,040
years

912
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,880
but in 2012

913
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:26,640
as much as everyone was really

914
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,440
interested in this this ancient parallel

915
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,760
this ancient analog for what may be this

916
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:33,440
modern technological phenomena and

917
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,760
whether we can find evidence of this

918
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:37,440
and again that you know notwithstanding

919
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,200
the popularity of ancient astronaut

920
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,040
theories before 2012 and of course that

921
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:43,680
persists today uh the ancient aliens

922
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:45,200
program recently did an episode all

923
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,160
about all the stuff we're going to be

924
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:48,800
talking about tonight right they did i

925
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:51,440
would that was the the premiere actually

926
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:52,400
yes

927
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,240
becoming contemporary aliens rather than

928
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,240
ancient aliens and you know we won't get

929
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,240
into foibles about the discussion of

930
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,240
aliens i'm comfortable with that term

931
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:05,040
more so than i am extraterrestrial uh i

932
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:06,400
do see a distinction but again not to

933
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,440
get lost in the uh in the uh minutiae

934
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:11,200
back in 2012 again i've been looking at

935
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,880
ufos and thinking to myself you know

936
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,480
this is the direction i want to go i see

937
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:16,160
this is an important topic but i think

938
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:17,520
that there are a lot of presumptions

939
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,800
that researchers who study this

940
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,960
phenomenon lead with one of them being

941
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,119
therefore aliens right right

942
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,200
and in my opinion i thought you know

943
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:27,119
let's set that presumption aside let's

944
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,480
look at what the evidence actually

945
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,240
suggests and let's try to understand

946
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,200
what we might be dealing with now

947
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:35,680
in 2013 i don't talk about this book all

948
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,560
that much but i mean i i wrote a book

949
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:40,880
that uh was published in 2013 called the

950
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,119
ufo singularity

951
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:45,280
the initial idea had been i wanted to to

952
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:48,319
take a comprehensive look at ufos and i

953
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:50,480
pitched an idea for a book the actual

954
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,000
proposal had been for a book called the

955
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:54,319
ufo reality so i never disputed that

956
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:56,800
there was a reality to the phenomenon

957
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:58,000
but the publishers came back and they

958
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:59,280
said we're really interested in your

959
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,760
interest in artificial intelligence and

960
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:03,680
the fact that you have a chapter in this

961
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:06,400
book proposal that looks at that aspect

962
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:07,920
would you want to just write a book

963
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,200
about that because you know nobody's

964
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:10,800
done that at this point

965
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:13,040
now at the time i thought sure okay we

966
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:15,119
can we can work on that and the general

967
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:17,200
premise had simply been this

968
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,040
first of all if we are going to

969
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:22,400
encounter travelers from another place

970
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:25,760
it seems to me that with the problems

971
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,640
that a biological life form encounters

972
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,720
that it's very likely we would encounter

973
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,200
or be more likely to encounter their

974
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:34,880
artificial intelligence rather than the

975
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:37,359
biological entities if you look at some

976
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,400
and again we got to be careful with

977
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:40,400
these accounts but some of the accounts

978
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:41,680
of people who have claimed to have had

979
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:44,079
contact with the occupants of the uap

980
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:45,520
they sometimes describe them as being

981
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:47,119
what we would call robotics so i thought

982
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:48,560
you know okay maybe that could be

983
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,359
interpreted as interactions with nearly

984
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,760
biological maybe in their appearance but

985
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:55,599
an advanced form of ai

986
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,880
the other idea had been that if we're

987
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,720
talking about machine intelligence how

988
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,240
would that machine intelligence

989
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,079
interpret time so i tried to look at all

990
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,319
these things within the context of what

991
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,400
you know some futurists here on earth in

992
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:08,079
the here and now call

993
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:09,680
the singularity technological

994
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:12,079
singularity how soon will we no longer

995
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,760
be able to understand the distinguish

996
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,119
you know or the distinguishing

997
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,760
characteristics i guess between humans

998
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:19,359
and human intelligence and then machine

999
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,960
intelligence that will eventually exceed

1000
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,280
us perhaps self-replicate self-improve

1001
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,280
and then we have intelligence explosion

1002
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,680
and we no longer recognize the super

1003
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:30,160
intelligence as van advanced as it

1004
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,839
becomes right so anyway i looked at all

1005
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:33,839
these things in the context of if we

1006
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,319
encounter a intelligence that can bring

1007
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,240
itself across the great distances in

1008
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,319
space it must be more advanced than we

1009
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,400
are how much more advanced if it's ai

1010
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,560
could it be a machine super intelligence

1011
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,400
we're actually encountering i think

1012
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,240
those points are all still valid and in

1013
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:50,000
fact i feel somewhat vindicated on

1014
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:51,839
account of the fact that many scientists

1015
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:54,240
who were very hesitant to ever engage

1016
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,560
the ufo subject now that it's become

1017
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:58,240
mainstream and they are now coming out

1018
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,680
of the closet because i don't doubt that

1019
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:01,359
they always had an interest but now they

1020
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:03,200
feel like they can talk about it right

1021
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,640
many scientists writing i mean i'm

1022
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,400
seeing articles jimmy and scientific

1023
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,560
american talking about well it seems

1024
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,160
more likely that what we'll encounter is

1025
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,160
the artificial intelligence of the oc of

1026
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:14,400
the intelligence you know behind the

1027
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,119
technology not the actual uh creators of

1028
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:19,440
it i'm thinking well thank you you're

1029
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:20,640
very welcome

1030
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:21,760
but

1031
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:24,319
there's the other side of it too where

1032
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:26,079
in hindsight i look back at that book

1033
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:27,200
and i think

1034
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,640
it was incomplete it was a thought

1035
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,720
experiment you know could i have done

1036
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,400
better certainly

1037
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:34,480
and after all of these years and after

1038
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,760
all of these developments we've seen

1039
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:38,000
since 2017 i'm kind of going

1040
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:39,760
and yet maybe the phenomenon's far

1041
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:41,920
simpler than any of that maybe if

1042
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,760
they're so advanced if indeed they are

1043
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,359
from someplace other than here and we

1044
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,040
don't know for sure yet but it seems to

1045
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:49,440
be a likely possibility one worthy of

1046
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:50,800
exploring

1047
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,560
you know who's to say their technology

1048
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:54,480
doesn't employ wormholes or something

1049
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:56,240
else that would easily facilitate that

1050
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:57,599
travel over that distance we don't have

1051
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,319
to rely on ai so who knows you know and

1052
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,480
i've had to come back around jimmy

1053
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,160
to looking at an idea that has been with

1054
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,000
us since the beginning which is the et

1055
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,640
hypothesis i don't rule out nor do i

1056
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,400
necessarily endorse it

1057
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,400
but i definitely look at it among the

1058
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:15,119
range of hypotheses because again we're

1059
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,880
dealing with something and it's very

1060
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:18,800
difficult to reconcile in terms of

1061
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,280
simple earth technologies i certainly

1062
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,359
don't think all of this is just russia

1063
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,520
or china right right right and it could

1064
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:27,280
be all of the above

1065
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:30,400
but more than likely it's all of the

1066
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:31,440
above

1067
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:35,839
uh it could be literally uh biological

1068
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,079
beings in a ship through a wormhole and

1069
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,480
and and crossing it could be

1070
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,079
uh ai

1071
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,880
and and traveling for tens of thousands

1072
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:48,240
of years

1073
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,960
um and and not aging not worrying about

1074
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,359
food and those kinds of things and those

1075
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,040
crafts are getting here

1076
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,280
it could be us from the future it could

1077
00:48:03,190 --> 00:47:59,920
be interdimensional it could be us here

1078
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:03,200
now uh it could be a parallel world or

1079
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:05,599
all of the above hitting us at the same

1080
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:07,760
time and we think we're

1081
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,599
you know zoning in on one thing and then

1082
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:11,200
something else happens

1083
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:13,040
and there's uh

1084
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:16,880
the reason why i go uh so firmly here

1085
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:19,680
is that it seems to me

1086
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:20,559
that

1087
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:23,920
no two ufo encounters or sightings are

1088
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,119
the same

1089
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:27,119
right everything is different

1090
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:28,400
right right you know everything is

1091
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:31,280
different if if if we go out into the

1092
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:32,480
streets

1093
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,160
and and look at the different kinds of

1094
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:36,480
vehicles that pass in front of you

1095
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,079
dump trucks buses ambulances cars

1096
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,880
suvs motorcycles bicycles right

1097
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,200
everything that you can think of passes

1098
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:46,880
you in a couple of minutes

1099
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:50,000
right and and different brands

1100
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,680
and that's just on this planet well it

1101
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,200
would have to be the very same thing

1102
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,359
with uh anything that would be visiting

1103
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:57,440
us because we're talking about an

1104
00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:00,000
infinite amount of civilizations right

1105
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:01,520
and they're not going to buy from the

1106
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:03,040
same dealership

1107
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,640
it's not going to be the same type of

1108
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,480
travel it's not going to be the same

1109
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:08,720
type of siding not only the same type of

1110
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:11,440
craft but how they got here and and what

1111
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,000
we are experiencing with that everything

1112
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:16,800
is going to be different right certainly

1113
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,480
yeah and you know back to your original

1114
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,880
question i mean how wrong do i feel you

1115
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,720
know i that's a very important point and

1116
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:24,880
i think anybody who is worth their salt

1117
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,040
periodically over time

1118
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:29,680
will look at where they were yep and

1119
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:31,680
where they are and ask okay where have i

1120
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:34,880
come from how have my opinions changed

1121
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,640
you know again i still entertain all the

1122
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,640
old ideas that i had but i mean i think

1123
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,400
it's really important not to limit

1124
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:42,000
yourself to and therefore that's what i

1125
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:43,440
think this is you know a lot of people

1126
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,800
who read the book i mentioned the ufo

1127
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,480
singularity and that's one reason i

1128
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,920
don't talk about that book all that much

1129
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,680
is because i began to pick up on the

1130
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:51,200
fact that many people who read it they

1131
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:52,559
interpreted that

1132
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,920
well he either thinks these things are

1133
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,760
all ai or he thinks that they're all

1134
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:57,680
time travelers because i do get into the

1135
00:50:01,670 --> 00:50:00,160
time travel things somewhat in the book

1136
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:01,680
more so

1137
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:04,240
and again in a short 55 to 60 000 words

1138
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,839
you know it's difficult to articulate

1139
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:07,280
the depth of some of these ideas but

1140
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:08,960
again i tried to

1141
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,160
at the time

1142
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:12,559
but the the real premise for me was if

1143
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,760
we're talking about a machine

1144
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:15,760
intelligence which may not be as

1145
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:18,400
encumbered by entropic forces as a

1146
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:21,280
biological you know brain is

1147
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,800
then are we looking at something that

1148
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:24,480
might perceive time differently from us

1149
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:25,920
and might be able to get around some of

1150
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,240
the hindrances not only of travel

1151
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,079
through space but also maybe perception

1152
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:32,000
of time that's what really interested me

1153
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,920
and these sorts of conjectures also

1154
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:35,680
appear in certain writings of the likes

1155
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,359
of ray kurzweil and others when looking

1156
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,359
at machine super intelligence so i was

1157
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,680
applying that to the uh the uap issue

1158
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:43,040
and going okay

1159
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:44,240
might this be something we should be

1160
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,760
thinking about too

1161
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:48,240
but of course as it began to dawn on me

1162
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:49,440
that people would read the book and say

1163
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,720
and hanks thinks they're all time

1164
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,400
travelers i'm like well i wouldn't rule

1165
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,040
out that possibility that some uap may

1166
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:57,440
be you know representative of a temporal

1167
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:59,440
phenomena or time travel

1168
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:01,040
you know but like you said

1169
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,480
we see all the different cars on the

1170
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,960
road and we would not call a 18-wheeler

1171
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,240
a sedan

1172
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,800
right nor would we call a jeep a pickup

1173
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,880
truck unless it is a jeep pickup truck

1174
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:12,480
you know we make these distinctions

1175
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:14,000
between all these different vehicles

1176
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:14,960
right

1177
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,480
try showing those vehicles to somebody

1178
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:18,720
who's never seen an automobile and they

1179
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:21,680
may recognize each different shape and

1180
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:24,079
size and brand as being a different kind

1181
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,480
of a monster or dragon or beast or or

1182
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:28,720
machine you know or contrivance think of

1183
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:30,079
all the different names we might apply

1184
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,359
toward that

1185
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:33,359
the ufo phenomenon may be very similar

1186
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:34,240
and

1187
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,760
those who are so beholden to an

1188
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:37,839
extraterrestrial hypothesis as being the

1189
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:39,839
only possibility will say

1190
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,480
well these aliens that travel in the tic

1191
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:44,640
tacs they are from zeta two reticuli

1192
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:46,640
whereas meanwhile we have from towel

1193
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,640
city we have the alien grays and the

1194
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:50,720
saucers then no no it could be that

1195
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:52,240
we're looking at a range of different

1196
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,680
phenomena which we lump under the uap

1197
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:57,520
umbrella right some may actually be

1198
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:00,319
extraterrestrial visitation some may be

1199
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:03,040
time travelers from our future or maybe

1200
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,720
from a distant period in the past from

1201
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,760
an ancient

1202
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:07,680
alien civilization that actually

1203
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,839
harnessed time travel who knows maybe

1204
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,960
some are

1205
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:12,800
actually the operators of the matrix

1206
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:14,480
intersecting with our reality from

1207
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:16,160
outside the simulation

1208
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:18,160
and that their craft that we observe and

1209
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:21,040
think of as a ua you know uap or a ufo

1210
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:22,960
you know we perceive that as a physical

1211
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,319
object but it's really actually a

1212
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,240
program i mean there are any number of

1213
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:28,079
different things black budget programs

1214
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:29,440
that emanate from right here on earth

1215
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:30,800
not from out there

1216
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,359
all these things could also be called or

1217
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:36,000
interpreted as ufos without having to

1218
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:37,440
all be the same thing and like you

1219
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:38,720
mentioned jimmy that's a really good

1220
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,640
point that might help account for why

1221
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,160
there are so many differences in

1222
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:44,480
descriptions behaviors activity

1223
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,400
appearances and all these things over

1224
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:48,240
the years yeah

1225
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,000
just my own personal experiences i mean

1226
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,160
i've interviewed and spoken with you

1227
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:55,920
know thousands of people about this

1228
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:57,520
subject

1229
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:00,319
and and that's great but just my own

1230
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:04,079
experiences micah have been so vastly

1231
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:06,079
different from each other

1232
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:06,960
that

1233
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:08,720
they can't be the same thing they can't

1234
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:12,079
be the same etc uh extraterrestrial

1235
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:14,720
civilization it just can't be if they

1236
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,599
are from out there but uh

1237
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:19,839
that's what i base everything on you

1238
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,720
know it is my own experiences everybody

1239
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,480
else is great and i love hearing from

1240
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,640
them but i'm still scratching my head on

1241
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:28,480
the stuff that i've seen myself

1242
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,119
and it it defies explanation and that's

1243
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,520
what drives me to move forward

1244
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:35,359
um and there's another part to this

1245
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:36,240
though

1246
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,280
um with your work at the debrief and

1247
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:41,280
looking at

1248
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:44,240
your content uh at the debrief that has

1249
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:45,680
been released

1250
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:46,720
um

1251
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:47,920
we don't

1252
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:50,640
know a whole lot in the ufo community

1253
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:53,359
but we know a whole lot is it the same

1254
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,000
thing with the united states government

1255
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:58,240
right they may not know a whole lot but

1256
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:01,359
yet they do know a whole lot

1257
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,040
you know our good buddy your friend in

1258
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,800
mind lou elizondo

1259
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:06,960
said something a while back in an

1260
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:08,000
interview

1261
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:10,160
where he noted that and in fact actually

1262
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,680
it was our very own chrissy newton who

1263
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:13,760
was interviewing him for the debrief

1264
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:15,520
great interview that she did with lou

1265
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:17,200
and you know she and i are hoping to

1266
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:19,040
team up and and interview him together

1267
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:20,640
again in the months ahead because again

1268
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:22,960
lee or i'm sorry lou is a wellspring of

1269
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,040
knowledge about so many things but

1270
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:27,359
something that lewd said that struck me

1271
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:29,440
was that when chrissy asked him about

1272
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:32,319
some of the incidents in nuclear sites

1273
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:33,599
lewis said you know

1274
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,520
we actually followed up with the

1275
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,680
research of robert hastings a civilian

1276
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:39,599
researcher and he said and thereafter we

1277
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,880
were able to confirm a lot of the

1278
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:42,880
information that he got right

1279
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,880
in his writings now of course robert

1280
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:46,720
hastings he didn't work for any kind of

1281
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:49,520
pentagon unit that investigated uap

1282
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:51,359
he was like many other researchers

1283
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:53,280
before him barry greenwood larry faust

1284
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:54,240
and others

1285
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,839
he had been using the freedom of

1286
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,599
information act

1287
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,520
to gain access to documents and to try

1288
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,440
and confirm and to extrapolate

1289
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:03,200
additional information that also in

1290
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:05,760
addition to eyewitness testimony that

1291
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:07,599
was provided to him by very brave

1292
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:09,440
service men and women

1293
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,599
whom he interviewed and spoke with

1294
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:13,520
and again hastings has really kind of

1295
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:16,079
done some of the definitive work on the

1296
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:17,680
as the title of his book actually

1297
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,559
entails ufos and nukes but it struck me

1298
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:22,640
it's very interesting that lou and i i

1299
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:24,799
really appreciate lu elizondo for giving

1300
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:27,040
you know credit where credit is due he

1301
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:29,440
always does that and again crediting a

1302
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:31,200
non-governmental source and saying hey

1303
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:32,799
look you know no shame we went and we

1304
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:34,160
got a lot of data from that guy's

1305
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,200
research

1306
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:37,280
but what that also tells me and why it's

1307
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,280
so important what lou had to say about

1308
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:41,520
uh hastings research is that

1309
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,640
that seems to indicate to me that often

1310
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,160
government is interested in national

1311
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:48,319
security and the issues that directly

1312
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,599
affect national security now if a ufo

1313
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:54,079
shows up over a nuclear base and it

1314
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:55,920
starts blasting lasers and blowing stuff

1315
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:58,240
up that is an immediate concern and

1316
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,119
frankly in my opinion any kind of uap in

1317
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,599
the airspace over a sensitive facility

1318
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,680
that should be an immediate concern

1319
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:07,200
but what we seem to have learned

1320
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:09,200
especially in recent years

1321
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:11,280
is that the government takes the uap

1322
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:12,799
issue seriously

1323
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:13,760
enough

1324
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,160
but they don't appear to be gravely

1325
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:18,079
concerned about there being an imminent

1326
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:19,760
threat most of the threats are indirect

1327
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:22,400
you know uap can be a threat to aviators

1328
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,480
for instance uap may be a challenge to

1329
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:26,960
national security but they don't say we

1330
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,119
have detected that these things are

1331
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:30,960
hostile and we're very concerned about

1332
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,799
it right big difference in what threat

1333
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:34,640
means and the different levels of threat

1334
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:37,520
right threat versus indirect threat uap

1335
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,520
are more an indirect threat and so i

1336
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:42,240
think that our military looks at this

1337
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,599
issue as being something that they want

1338
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:45,119
to know about because these things seem

1339
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:46,960
to have technological capabilities that

1340
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,559
exceed at least what we understand if

1341
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,640
not actually what we possess

1342
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:52,160
they also want to know what these things

1343
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:54,000
are when they are operating in sensitive

1344
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,079
military areas and hence of course with

1345
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:58,319
the newly established aoi msg by the

1346
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,680
pentagon what are they doing they're

1347
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,839
explicitly looking at uap in this

1348
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:03,760
special use airspace we'll talk more

1349
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:06,160
about that later but again in terms of

1350
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,680
it being a direct threat i don't see our

1351
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:09,280
government looking at this and saying

1352
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:10,880
we've got to protect the citizenry

1353
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:12,799
against these things meanwhile

1354
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:13,839
russia

1355
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,640
china's militarization right war games

1356
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,559
out there in the pacific you know the

1357
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,400
the ever-present threat of nuclear

1358
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,920
proliferation

1359
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:23,680
these are more concerning threats to our

1360
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,960
military and they look at those things

1361
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:27,119
first and foremost and so i think it's

1362
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:28,880
very important that when the government

1363
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:31,359
is paying attention to the big concerns

1364
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,040
the more imminent threats

1365
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,119
civilian ufo researchers not only are

1366
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:37,359
doing some of the best work but as lou

1367
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:39,119
helped point out in the interview with

1368
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:41,200
chrissy i mean the government at times

1369
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,359
will also source its information from

1370
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:45,440
the research those civilians do so for

1371
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:47,200
the civilian ufo researchers who may be

1372
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,480
listening tonight and thinking well the

1373
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:49,760
government's now getting into the game

1374
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:51,280
and so our job's done you know we just

1375
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:53,680
got to kick back and watch think again

1376
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:55,040
it may still be the case that some of

1377
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:56,880
the best research and the most important

1378
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,280
headway we make will first emanate from

1379
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:01,680
the civilian sector and that will give a

1380
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:04,160
cue to government with their inquiries

1381
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:05,599
in terms of where to look what to look

1382
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:08,079
at and how to approach these problems

1383
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:11,119
now there are uh

1384
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:14,240
many sources inside of the bigelow

1385
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,640
circle i'm just going to say bigelow uh

1386
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:18,480
whether you want to go a tip or whatever

1387
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:19,440
but that

1388
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:22,640
that circle the bigelow circle

1389
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,000
um has implied multiple times and that

1390
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:28,640
includes lou elizondo

1391
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:32,079
that our government is in possession

1392
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,040
of

1393
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:35,520
craft not from this earth

1394
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,480
now if that is if that's the case

1395
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:40,880
then they do know a whole lot and they

1396
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:42,799
can't say that we don't know what's

1397
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,760
going on if they are in possession of of

1398
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:47,200
technology

1399
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:48,160
that

1400
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:51,040
was created elsewhere

1401
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:52,960
fair point you know this kind of becomes

1402
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,720
an epistemological argument at that

1403
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,559
point though because we are left kind of

1404
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:58,480
asking what do we know and how do we

1405
00:59:01,109 --> 00:59:00,079
know what we know

1406
00:59:02,549 --> 00:59:01,119
and so

1407
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,559
when it comes to the idea of crash

1408
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:04,799
wreckage retrievals for instance how do

1409
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:06,880
we know whether the government has these

1410
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:09,839
now a few sources uh that have at least

1411
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:11,599
implied that this may be a reality

1412
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,119
include like you mentioned lui elizondo

1413
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:14,880
he's touched on that

1414
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:16,319
eric davis

1415
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:22,880
tart in his very interesting book in

1416
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:26,480
plain sight which i did read ross also

1417
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:29,119
spoke with a retired official who had

1418
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,599
said he had heard such rumors and if you

1419
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,359
go through the literature i mean many of

1420
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:35,359
us have come across similar references

1421
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,040
to people who claim to you know annie

1422
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:39,599
jacobson's writing you know now i think

1423
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,799
in fairness

1424
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:42,799
some of those claims

1425
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:46,319
are maybe more credible than others but

1426
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:47,839
the running theme

1427
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:50,319
and my big takeaway is this that that is

1428
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,880
a consistent motif in various literature

1429
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:54,480
related to uap that there have been

1430
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:57,440
wreckages and retrievals by military uh

1431
01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:59,760
two it seems to be something that is

1432
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:02,000
fairly persistent

1433
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,119
and if so few as one of those incidents

1434
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:07,680
let's say it's roswell right if one

1435
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:09,520
represents reality and it actually

1436
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:11,680
happened well then somebody's got

1437
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:12,880
something and yes you're right they

1438
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:14,160
would have to know something more about

1439
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:15,680
it now does that mean that they have the

1440
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:17,200
full picture

1441
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:18,720
again it may actually be the case that

1442
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:21,119
we are looking at a phenomenon that they

1443
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:22,640
still know little about but which they

1444
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,559
manage to acquire they have some data

1445
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,319
about and they recognize okay this is a

1446
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:28,480
reality and this is a big problem

1447
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:30,160
because we know so little about it but

1448
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:32,400
we've got these things they're on ice

1449
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:33,920
you know and the only guys who know

1450
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,440
about it are the twelve sitting up there

1451
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:37,920
on the panel back in washington and then

1452
01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:40,880
right right right right and uh and we'll

1453
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:42,559
start to do the deep dive when we come

1454
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,079
back after the break

1455
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:46,640
um this specific point

1456
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:48,400
is addressed

1457
01:00:53,549 --> 01:00:51,680
in the ndaa for 2022.

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01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:53,559
and i think it was one of the most

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01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:56,720
extraordinary paragraphs

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01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:59,359
in any budget of any year

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01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:00,960
maybe in the history of the world so

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01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:02,480
let's take our break right here this is

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fade to black i'm murals jimmy church

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01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:06,799
our guest tonight micah hanks and we are

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01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:09,599
going to do tonight a complete deep dive

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01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,319
into the uap question what is going on

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01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:14,400
with washington dc

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and all of it how it applies to 2022 i'm

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your host jimmy church more with mike

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01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:37,430
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01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:39,440
this is micah hanks of the ghrelian

1569
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,960
report

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01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:42,720
my guest tonight

1571
01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:49,109
i'll never change that

1572
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:52,240
the way you say graylien

1573
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:55,440
i mean with with such authority mike i

1574
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:57,920
will i will never change that i i i've

1575
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:01,280
gone back and and and came come out like

1576
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:03,760
no no that's going to stay right there

1577
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:06,319
that's a moment in time my friend um

1578
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:08,400
earlier today uh

1579
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:11,680
micah and i were talking guitars

1580
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,559
and micah i forgot to tell you uh

1581
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:16,880
one of the i just wanted to uh mention

1582
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:18,640
this before we move on

1583
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:20,160
i have

1584
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:23,920
a miniature it's like this big right

1585
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:26,000
a miniature strat

1586
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:26,880
okay

1587
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:30,480
and it's painted in a

1588
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:33,280
vintage white it's a limited edition

1589
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:36,160
tiny right it's like 20 inch scale

1590
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:38,000
length or something

1591
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:39,599
but anyway

1592
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:43,200
um it's a hard tail now stay with me on

1593
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:44,960
this okay

1594
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:49,200
uh the guitar itself 150 bucks 175 bucks

1595
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:51,520
brand new okay

1596
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:55,280
this guitar i've just dropped a thousand

1597
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:57,359
dollars into

1598
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:00,480
and it's at pat wilkins shop right now

1599
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:02,880
this is what's being done

1600
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:07,520
it's getting new frets dunlop 6100

1601
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:12,319
150 guitar uh a new neck a new nut

1602
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:14,640
um

1603
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:15,680
and

1604
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,560
i've had it routed

1605
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:20,880
for tremolo

1606
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:22,000
so

1607
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:24,960
the the whole thing is is going to be

1608
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:26,239
redone

1609
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:27,920
with the tremolo

1610
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:30,960
and uh ing vape pickups

1611
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:33,920
so and and new locking machine heads the

1612
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:35,440
whole thing

1613
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:38,960
is going to be a miniature ing vey strat

1614
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:41,040
and uh it's it's going to be done in

1615
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:43,679
about a month but it's the craziest

1616
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:45,120
project ever

1617
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:47,120
yeah and i know exactly what graham

1618
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:48,640
hancock would say about that he would

1619
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:57,749
uh i'm going to uh i have a friend uh

1620
01:09:01,910 --> 01:09:00,319
i'm going to have inva sign it

1621
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:01,920
yeah that's uh that's going to be in a

1622
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:03,600
few months and i'm really looking

1623
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:05,679
forward to that

1624
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:07,040
would you do me a favor would you do me

1625
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:08,960
a kindness if you do that you ask you

1626
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:17,749
you do that for me church

1627
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:19,110
croissants

1628
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:23,520
figured he was a christmas guy he's a

1629
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:24,799
croissant

1630
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:28,640
i've been watching videos of him lately

1631
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:30,400
you know what though he can still do the

1632
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:32,159
splits on stage i don't know how he

1633
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:35,440
pulls that off

1634
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:39,520
those leather pants right yeah yeah

1635
01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:40,960
right at the end of the day at the end

1636
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:42,560
of the day after the gig

1637
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:44,480
i mean you know this this defies physics

1638
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:47,279
no all kidding aside look man i am i've

1639
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:49,759
always been a huge engage fan

1640
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:50,799
that guy

1641
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:54,159
can do on a stratocaster scalloped frets

1642
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:56,640
or whatever you know yes uh fretboard i

1643
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:57,679
should say

1644
01:10:01,110 --> 01:09:59,120
you know and i have you ever tried i'm

1645
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:01,120
sure you have i do i have i i have a

1646
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:03,920
couple yes yeah dude i have never been

1647
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:05,199
able to get used to the scalloped

1648
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:07,520
fretboard thing that is so strange but

1649
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,760
again the story is i've been told is

1650
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:11,760
that he used to work in a music store

1651
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,800
and that a loot of some kind and

1652
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:16,560
like a several hundred year old

1653
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:19,040
instrument came through and he actually

1654
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:21,040
felt that and he said it required such

1655
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:23,600
precision playing that instrument

1656
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:25,120
and yet he saw the potential there and

1657
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:26,800
he did it to his stratocaster could you

1658
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:29,120
imagine that i mean that's a real

1659
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,760
dive once you go there you can't go back

1660
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:33,360
well maybe with wood putty you could but

1661
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:35,520
it wouldn't really be the same and he he

1662
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,840
took that chance and

1663
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:39,280
you know i saw a lot of strats come

1664
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:40,960
through the old music store where my dad

1665
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:43,199
taught when i was a kid and people would

1666
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:45,360
maybe start at the 12th fret and go up

1667
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:47,199
from there but i think way inva does the

1668
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:49,679
end the whole the whole the whole um i

1669
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:52,560
have i i don't have it here

1670
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:55,040
it's out getting painted right now

1671
01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:57,360
but i have a takamini

1672
01:11:02,790 --> 01:10:59,679
uh takumini has made

1673
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:02,800
uh salah body guitars back in the 80s

1674
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:05,760
and they were all made in japan at the

1675
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:07,120
jackson

1676
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:09,679
factory in japan the j

1677
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:12,080
very high qua anyway so i have a

1678
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:13,360
takamini

1679
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:16,080
explorer it's called a gx100

1680
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:18,719
and i i've got it out right now it's

1681
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:21,280
getting painted and uh and stuff but

1682
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:22,719
that guitar

1683
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:24,880
has a scalloped fretboard

1684
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:28,239
and it's to the extreme um i it's just

1685
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:29,679
out getting painted right now but when

1686
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:31,840
it comes back i'll take some pictures of

1687
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:34,320
it and uh send it to you i've got

1688
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:35,440
rainbow

1689
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:37,679
hardware that's going on it and some new

1690
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:39,760
pickups and it's it's getting painted uh

1691
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:42,400
fluorescent lime green

1692
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,480
the total 80 with the scalloped

1693
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:45,840
fretboard

1694
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:48,960
this tacomini it's a very rare guitar

1695
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:52,000
and uh i'm going full full 80 sunset

1696
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:53,760
strip on this thing so i'll have it back

1697
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:56,159
in about a month and i'll take pictures

1698
01:12:00,070 --> 01:11:58,560
and uh send it to you now let's let's

1699
01:12:01,750 --> 01:12:00,080
get to

1700
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:01,760
uh right before the break we were

1701
01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:04,000
talking about crash retrievals

1702
01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:06,840
and uh so let's jump into the

1703
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:11,600
ndaa because in the ndaa this budget by

1704
01:12:15,390 --> 01:12:14,560
the way this budget is listed 2022

1705
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:15,400
through

1706
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:17,120
2026

1707
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:20,320
and i found that interesting okay so

1708
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:24,000
it's not just for one year but um in the

1709
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:26,080
ndaa

1710
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:29,600
there is a paragraph that specifically

1711
01:12:32,910 --> 01:12:31,120
addresses

1712
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:32,920
uap crash

1713
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:34,800
retrievals

1714
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:38,640
okay and uh and reporting the crash

1715
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:41,199
retrievals and the technology

1716
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:42,719
that they get

1717
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:44,960
from those crash retrievals

1718
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:45,840
now

1719
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:48,560
i bring this up a that it is in there

1720
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:50,960
and i find that shocking but

1721
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:53,199
b i think it's in there

1722
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:56,400
because of the odni the efforts of uh

1723
01:13:02,310 --> 01:12:59,040
chris mellon 2 as well and and possibly

1724
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:02,320
lou elizondo to get this this words this

1725
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:04,400
wordage in there um

1726
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:05,199
that

1727
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:11,520
different agencies knew about but it

1728
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:14,000
never made it over to odni and they were

1729
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:16,159
caught by surprise uh with certain

1730
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:18,960
issues on uap's crash retrievals being

1731
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:20,880
one of them

1732
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:22,000
now

1733
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:24,560
it is part of the legislation

1734
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:27,120
um how did you take that when you saw

1735
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:30,719
that make its way into the ndaa

1736
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:33,040
well so first and foremost

1737
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:35,520
there's a lot to unpack here and i think

1738
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:37,360
i'm gonna go in reverse order there was

1739
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:40,159
an nbc article that uh my colleague mark

1740
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:42,880
brady sent me just uh within the last

1741
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:44,480
couple of days

1742
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,480
and you know they are kind of you know

1743
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:48,080
hitting all of the

1744
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:51,040
the local joints along the uh the path

1745
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:52,800
down the block home you know then they

1746
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:55,120
stop in and talk with stephen bassage

1747
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:56,800
and then they stop in and they talk with

1748
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:58,000
all these other

1749
01:14:01,910 --> 01:14:00,400
you know commentators and then

1750
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:01,920
toward the end of the article it's mick

1751
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:03,280
west

1752
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:08,000
and uh mick had said about the uh ndaa

1753
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:10,159
and again for anyone who is you know out

1754
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:11,600
of the loop and wondering what we're

1755
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:12,880
talking about we're talking about the

1756
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:15,360
fiscal year for 2022 national defense

1757
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:17,040
authorization act

1758
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:18,159
this is a

1759
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:19,360
bill

1760
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:21,679
that is passed there is both a house and

1761
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:23,840
then a senate version

1762
01:14:27,990 --> 01:14:25,920
that are passed and once they reach

1763
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,000
agreement on those and the amendments

1764
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:30,800
package that are applied to this once it

1765
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:32,400
passes into law

1766
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:34,320
then it is you know actually officially

1767
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:36,400
signed into law by the president

1768
01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:39,440
and this for the last like 60 years has

1769
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:41,840
passed every year so there was never a

1770
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:43,360
point where we didn't think that this

1771
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:45,199
would actually be passed into law there

1772
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:47,360
was a little bit of a hang up

1773
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:49,120
back around the holidays because uh

1774
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:51,199
senator marco rubio of florida had a

1775
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,080
very important issue regarding

1776
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:56,640
a small group of muslims who have

1777
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:59,199
been you know oppressed in a region of

1778
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,199
china and he was you know again long

1779
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:03,600
story short doubling down on

1780
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:06,560
uh an amendment to be added which

1781
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:09,120
would essentially ban imports from that

1782
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:12,080
region as a sort of you know sanction of

1783
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:15,600
sorts against china now the problem is

1784
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:17,440
there wasn't widespread i'm sure that

1785
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:19,520
there was widespread bipartisan support

1786
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:21,600
about that issue but not on

1787
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:24,159
the insistence that rubio had on the

1788
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:25,360
inclusion of that amendment so what

1789
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:27,360
happened was the ndaa ended up going

1790
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,800
back to the house

1791
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,960
and then comes back to the senate they

1792
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:32,320
finally get approval for the for the

1793
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:34,239
bill it actually passed much sooner than

1794
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:36,239
i expected that it would and then was

1795
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:38,800
signed into law earlier this year

1796
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:40,800
much to my surprise

1797
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:42,000
had been the fact that one of the

1798
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:43,679
amendments that was included in the

1799
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:45,360
final amendments package and i've got to

1800
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,040
give a hat tip to uh douglas uh johnson

1801
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:51,120
uh of the scientific coalition for uap

1802
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:53,600
studies he is a colleague of mine he and

1803
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:55,280
i of course keep in touch pretty

1804
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:57,679
frequently and he definitely keeps me up

1805
01:16:02,709 --> 01:16:00,320
to date on what's going on and often

1806
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:02,719
writes very lengthy analyses of these

1807
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:04,800
developments at his blog

1808
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:06,800
which is a very valuable resource to all

1809
01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:09,360
of ufology or ua ology whatever you want

1810
01:16:13,030 --> 01:16:11,920
to call it i still like ufology myself

1811
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:13,040
uh and so

1812
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,880
it was very surprising to me that this

1813
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:17,040
so-called gillibrand or gillibrand rubio

1814
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:17,920
amendment because again the

1815
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:19,840
aforementioned senator marco rubio also

1816
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:21,920
co-sponsored this amendment

1817
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:23,600
to the bill and in fact it was very

1818
01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:25,120
similar to a previous version from the

1819
01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:28,000
house that uh representative gallagher

1820
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:29,600
from the house had also put forward so

1821
01:16:33,189 --> 01:16:31,040
there were several versions of it in

1822
01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:33,199
other words and once this passed into

1823
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:37,440
law i mean it was all the more made even

1824
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:39,040
stranger the fact that we have this

1825
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:40,960
incredibly and like you mentioned this

1826
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:42,560
being one of the most significant pieces

1827
01:16:46,630 --> 01:16:44,159
of legislation we've seen really in all

1828
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:46,640
history it was the most and i

1829
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:48,239
think really truly i've never seen

1830
01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:49,920
anything quite like this the most

1831
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:52,000
elaborately worded

1832
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:54,000
legislation regarding any kind of

1833
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:55,760
unusual topic

1834
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:58,080
especially related to uap

1835
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:00,480
that i've ever seen in any kind of

1836
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:03,360
you know legislation or law ever ever

1837
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:05,040
ever no no that

1838
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:06,719
you can say that

1839
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:09,280
uh uh as fact

1840
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:12,320
ever i don't think it's ever uh been

1841
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:15,520
written into legislation before not uh

1842
01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:17,600
before we say not like this no i'm

1843
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:19,600
saying ever

1844
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:21,440
now listen here's never been done

1845
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:23,280
a couple of important things to to talk

1846
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:25,520
about you know as a lead up to this the

1847
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:27,440
history of ufo investigations by

1848
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:29,280
government goes all the way back to 1948

1849
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:31,120
with the establishment of project sign

1850
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:32,880
it was somewhat sympathetic to the idea

1851
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:34,640
that hey there's something in the skies

1852
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:36,960
we want to know what these things are

1853
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:38,320
you know after a few months there were

1854
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:40,400
no conclusions drawn

1855
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:42,480
and the successor to project sign was a

1856
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:44,239
project called project grudge which was

1857
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:46,800
much more skeptical now it formally

1858
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,000
ended

1859
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:50,880
i believe in late 1949 but informally

1860
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:53,199
continued until about 1951 toward the

1861
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:54,800
end of 1951

1862
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:57,280
and then its successor in 1952 sees

1863
01:18:01,910 --> 01:18:00,320
project blue book coming to fruition the

1864
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:01,920
first head of course edward rupelt wrote

1865
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:04,159
a very comprehensive book about his

1866
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:05,920
early work with project blue book this

1867
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:06,800
was

1868
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:08,320
actually the book called the report on

1869
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:10,480
unidentified flying objects that was a

1870
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:12,719
term he coined and hence why we still

1871
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:15,120
use to this day ufos some of us but all

1872
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:17,679
that said you had those three projects

1873
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:19,760
blue book ran until 1968 and then we

1874
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:21,920
have a law period where there is no

1875
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:25,040
formal acknowledged uap investigation by

1876
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:26,480
government many people have supposed

1877
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:27,600
that there may have been limited

1878
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:29,360
investigations if there was ever

1879
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:30,719
anything

1880
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:33,040
akin to what we saw then or what we are

1881
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:34,320
now seeing

1882
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:35,840
it was kept off the books to my

1883
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:37,600
knowledge now of course there was john

1884
01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:40,080
alexander's informal group the atp the

1885
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:42,640
advanced theoretical physics project

1886
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:44,400
uh which the acronym is actually

1887
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:46,560
slightly similar to a tip but it was not

1888
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:48,159
something that like within the pentagon

1889
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:49,840
was actually analyzing these things this

1890
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:51,280
was a group of professionals with

1891
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:53,120
certain levels of clearance who are

1892
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:55,360
independently looking at all this stuff

1893
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:56,560
you and i have talked about john

1894
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:58,800
alexander a little bit on the uh yes we

1895
01:19:01,350 --> 01:18:59,840
have

1896
01:19:02,550 --> 01:19:01,360
on the show in the past but i mentioned

1897
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:02,560
that again because that would have been

1898
01:19:06,630 --> 01:19:04,239
the only other

1899
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:06,640
iteration of what we know

1900
01:19:10,709 --> 01:19:09,440
as far as uap investigative groups

1901
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:10,719
within government and that was an

1902
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:12,640
informal one much like

1903
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:14,960
a tip was apparently

1904
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:17,520
a tip as reported in 2017 by the new

1905
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:20,239
york times which actually had referenced

1906
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:22,320
in terms of where the actual 22 million

1907
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:24,480
dollars that was appropriated by harry

1908
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:25,920
reid at al

1909
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:27,760
that actually referenced the all sap

1910
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:29,280
program slightly different that was run

1911
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:30,640
out of the dia

1912
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:32,239
so not to get lost in the weeds here

1913
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:34,320
again that's the brief history the

1914
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:36,239
family tree you might say of uap

1915
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:38,400
investigations by government and what we

1916
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:40,960
saw was the informal atip initiative

1917
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:43,040
that lou elizondo headed

1918
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:45,920
kind of carried over into the uap task

1919
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:48,159
force and then the uap task force was

1920
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:50,159
sort of reassigned and carries over into

1921
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:51,920
what now the pentagon identifies as the

1922
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:55,679
aoi msg airborne all uh airborne office

1923
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:57,199
what is it aoi let's see if we can

1924
01:20:02,070 --> 01:19:59,520
remember all the uh the um the breakdown

1925
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:02,080
here airborne okay never mind we'll come

1926
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:03,040
back around to that in a minute so

1927
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:05,280
anyway they've got their thing right

1928
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:07,679
their office very serious that's about

1929
01:20:11,110 --> 01:20:09,840
the most dramatic thing and i think it's

1930
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:11,120
because

1931
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:13,360
they know that this has been going on

1932
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:16,080
but they haven't had reports on it they

1933
01:20:20,629 --> 01:20:18,400
don't know who is captured what they

1934
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:20,639
don't know who is in possession of what

1935
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:22,320
and and now

1936
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:24,560
this is going to get reported to

1937
01:20:27,669 --> 01:20:25,600
congress

1938
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:27,679
right now again i think we should be

1939
01:20:31,189 --> 01:20:28,880
really careful

1940
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:31,199
uh when we read that and again like you

1941
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:32,560
mentioned in the wording updates on

1942
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:34,800
efforts to capture or exploit discovered

1943
01:20:39,430 --> 01:20:36,960
uap is very different from assuming that

1944
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:39,440
we already have captured it and we want

1945
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:41,440
what they already have right

1946
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:44,000
but midwest when quoted by nbc recently

1947
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:45,520
and asked about this in the article i'd

1948
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:47,040
been referencing earlier

1949
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:48,560
this is one of the issues he raises he

1950
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:50,159
says well it seems that what was passed

1951
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:52,639
into law in the ndaa

1952
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:56,239
is pretty heavily uh influenced by ufo

1953
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:57,360
believers

1954
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:58,560
and so now the pentagon is going to have

1955
01:21:02,950 --> 01:21:00,880
to jump through some you know some some

1956
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:02,960
silk hoops essentially to try and you

1957
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:04,000
know get to the bottom of whatever

1958
01:21:06,629 --> 01:21:05,040
they're trying to do which is very

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01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:06,639
important work this is really

1960
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:08,080
interesting in itself to me because i'm

1961
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:09,760
like okay well

1962
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:11,760
for the guy who has been arguing for

1963
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:12,880
years now

1964
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:15,360
that what appears in the navy videos are

1965
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:17,679
mundane objects that this is a distant

1966
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:19,360
in a commercial airliner or this is a

1967
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:21,920
friendly fa-18

1968
01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:23,440
now he's saying well but the work that

1969
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:24,639
they're actually trying to do with the

1970
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:27,280
oymesga you know this is really

1971
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:29,360
important i'm thinking well

1972
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:31,760
has your tone changed at all mick i mean

1973
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:34,159
is he now saying you know

1974
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:36,480
we now have a investigative body that is

1975
01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:38,480
looking at aerial incursions in special

1976
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:40,480
use airspace and this is because

1977
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:42,159
apparently there are as outlined in the

1978
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:45,360
odeon i report from last june 144

1979
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:47,360
instances where there were objects that

1980
01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:49,120
our military couldn't identify but which

1981
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:51,520
in many cases we have multi-sensor data

1982
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:53,360
in support of the reality of those

1983
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:55,360
observations not just people saying they

1984
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:56,480
see things

1985
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:59,600
uh you know again i hope that based on

1986
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:01,440
what he said mick is recognizing that

1987
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:03,840
whatever you apr if you're uncomfortable

1988
01:22:08,070 --> 01:22:06,320
with the et idea you know again i i keep

1989
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:08,080
that one at arm's distance but i keep it

1990
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:09,840
within sight because it's one among the

1991
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:11,920
range of possibilities but whatever you

1992
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:14,239
may think or think they are not

1993
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:15,760
let's look at the reality that this is

1994
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:17,520
an issue that our military is taking

1995
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:18,639
seriously

1996
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:20,800
that alone should be indicative of why

1997
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:22,400
everyone else

1998
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:24,480
should at very least say hey okay

1999
01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:26,239
there appears to be there there if there

2000
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:28,719
was ever any doubt about that before now

2001
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:30,239
i think we can all agree on one thing

2002
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:31,840
whatever the range of possibilities

2003
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:34,159
about what uap are we can all agree

2004
01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:35,600
there's something worthy of study

2005
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:38,159
several some things probably so again to

2006
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:38,880
see

2007
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:40,719
mick pointing out the fact that ah but

2008
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:42,400
the ndaa language seems to have been

2009
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:45,120
heavily influenced by you know the ufo

2010
01:22:49,270 --> 01:22:46,320
proponents

2011
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:49,280
well okay sure i get it i i would even

2012
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:51,440
agree to an extent but i unlike mick

2013
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:53,360
probably don't think that's necessarily

2014
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:54,960
a bad thing and this comes back to what

2015
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:56,800
we said earlier about what louis lozando

2016
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:59,440
said about robert hastings work right

2017
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:01,520
civilian ufo researchers and this is

2018
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:03,280
something actually that even stephen

2019
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:06,800
basset echoes in the article um he notes

2020
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:07,920
i don't think there's anything wrong

2021
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:10,239
with the aoi in my msg i don't think

2022
01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:12,639
that the asro is part of a conspiracy

2023
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:14,639
this isn't part of some black ops to

2024
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:16,400
cover all this stuff up

2025
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:18,000
you know stephen bassett's saying i

2026
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:20,239
think this is all the result of 70 years

2027
01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:22,880
worth of work by thousands of people who

2028
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:25,360
have borrowing his famous term you know

2029
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:27,120
what you love it to end the truth

2030
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:28,560
embargo

2031
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:30,000
now of course

2032
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:33,600
bassets all in i mean completely on et

2033
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:35,840
as far as that is what the uap

2034
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:37,040
represents these things are

2035
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:38,880
extraterrestrial craft he's told me that

2036
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:40,719
in interviews over the years you two i'm

2037
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:42,880
sure uh you know again i would draw the

2038
01:23:45,430 --> 01:23:44,080
line there and say i think that there

2039
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:45,440
are other possibilities worthy of

2040
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:47,120
consideration but

2041
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:49,360
i think bassett is also correct in the

2042
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:51,040
sense that you know there has been a lot

2043
01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:52,960
of work put toward getting us to this

2044
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:55,600
point so again don't miss the fact that

2045
01:23:59,910 --> 01:23:57,600
the efforts of those civilians who mick

2046
01:24:01,830 --> 01:23:59,920
west says have you know heavily

2047
01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:01,840
influenced the wording in this amendment

2048
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:05,280
to the ndaa those amendments are worded

2049
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:07,679
that way because of again decades of

2050
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:09,920
work by thousands of individuals it has

2051
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:11,520
been a collective effort over time and

2052
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:13,280
that has been based on a preponderance

2053
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:15,040
of data collected by civilian

2054
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:17,199
investigators and some of that also

2055
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:19,120
coming from government sources having

2056
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:20,400
been obtained through freedom of

2057
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:22,560
information act and also in some cases

2058
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:23,760
government officials who have come

2059
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:24,960
forward themselves and talked about

2060
01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:26,639
their own observations experiences or

2061
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:28,639
interests so again if you look at the

2062
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:30,639
deeper historical picture

2063
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:32,400
it's not just a bunch of wacky people

2064
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,400
saying yeah go study aliens no we're

2065
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:36,800
looking at a body of data which i think

2066
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:39,520
has well informed and put in place

2067
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:41,360
at least some semblance of a plan with

2068
01:24:46,229 --> 01:24:43,440
the gila brand amendment to enable the

2069
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:46,239
asro to do a better job investigating

2070
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:47,840
uap than any

2071
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:49,679
previous iteration of government

2072
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:51,360
investigative groups that at least i

2073
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:53,040
hope jimmy

2074
01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:56,480
well uh putting nick west aside and

2075
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:57,440
uh

2076
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:59,280
and in his opinions

2077
01:25:04,229 --> 01:25:01,920
um i think uh his research is is

2078
01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:04,239
actually pretty solid but but putting

2079
01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:05,840
that aside

2080
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:09,280
what i am curious about is why

2081
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:12,239
uh the capture and exploit and crash

2082
01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:16,800
retrieval of uaps made it into the ndaa

2083
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:19,280
because if we go back to the statements

2084
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:22,560
and why the senate would make sure that

2085
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:25,040
this is included in there

2086
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:27,120
because if we go back to the new york

2087
01:25:33,510 --> 01:25:29,840
times article with eric davis buried in

2088
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:33,520
the article uh eric davis says and the

2089
01:25:38,310 --> 01:25:35,840
quote is attributed to eric davis and

2090
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:38,320
vetted by the new york times where he

2091
01:25:42,149 --> 01:25:39,199
says

2092
01:25:44,310 --> 01:25:42,159
that he briefed the senate intelligence

2093
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:44,320
committee and told them

2094
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:47,520
that we are in possession of crafts

2095
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:50,159
not made here on earth

2096
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:51,120
now

2097
01:25:56,229 --> 01:25:53,120
the senate hears that

2098
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:56,239
did they follow up and go what was dr

2099
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:59,760
davis talking about who has got what do

2100
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:01,920
are we in possession of it and if we are

2101
01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:04,080
in possession why aren't there reports

2102
01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:06,239
about it why aren't we hearing about it

2103
01:26:10,229 --> 01:26:07,840
and therefore

2104
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:10,239
this verbiage uh i keep saying verbiage

2105
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:14,480
wordage is is now included in the ndaa

2106
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:16,159
i don't think it has anything to do with

2107
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:20,960
ufo uh uh uh researchers or believers

2108
01:26:26,149 --> 01:26:23,600
i think that the the senate made sure

2109
01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:26,159
that this was included in the bill for a

2110
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:28,159
reason

2111
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:29,360
there is of course always the

2112
01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:30,880
possibility that members of the senate

2113
01:26:35,830 --> 01:26:32,800
intelligence committees have been

2114
01:26:37,189 --> 01:26:35,840
briefed on more information about uap

2115
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:37,199
and more information collected by

2116
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:38,880
government agencies than you or i know

2117
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:40,639
about again case in point

2118
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:43,600
the odni report that you or i saw

2119
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:46,080
is six pages long well six pages then

2120
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:47,199
there's the cover sheet and then there's

2121
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:48,960
the two appendixes in the back so again

2122
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:50,560
six pages of content

2123
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:53,120
um the and john greenball of course was

2124
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:55,520
immediately following that trying to get

2125
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:57,040
to the bottom of okay how long was the

2126
01:27:02,310 --> 01:26:58,960
one that the senate saw it was like what

2127
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:02,320
15 16 17 pages it wasn't much longer the

2128
01:27:06,310 --> 01:27:04,320
point is is of course there was a little

2129
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:06,320
more information that was supplied

2130
01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:08,639
uh to members of congress and of course

2131
01:27:10,870 --> 01:27:10,159
there were briefings we know of course

2132
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:10,880
that

2133
01:27:16,709 --> 01:27:14,639
also attended

2134
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:16,719
uh you or i didn't get to see all that

2135
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:19,280
so sure i'm i'm certain that they have

2136
01:27:22,629 --> 01:27:21,360
actually had access to some information

2137
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:22,639
that we have not

2138
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:24,400
but the questions of course thereafter

2139
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:26,560
are well how much information

2140
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:28,800
what were dr davis sources with respect

2141
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:31,600
to dr davis of course and again uh i

2142
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:33,520
mentioned ross cultart earlier his book

2143
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:34,880
in plain sight you know he does an

2144
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:37,280
entire chapter trying to kind of

2145
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:38,639
wade through

2146
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:40,719
all the questions about the so-called

2147
01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:43,440
wilson memo right and you know trying to

2148
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:45,199
get to the bottom of some of the ideas

2149
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:48,480
as expressed in that and you know how dr

2150
01:27:53,030 --> 01:27:49,679
davis's

2151
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:53,040
interpretations might be uh interpreted

2152
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:54,239
ross came essentially to the same

2153
01:27:57,830 --> 01:27:56,320
conclusion that i have and i know that

2154
01:27:59,669 --> 01:27:57,840
some of our colleagues like richard

2155
01:28:01,189 --> 01:27:59,679
dolan may differ on this point but again

2156
01:28:02,470 --> 01:28:01,199
for me at the end of the day i'm have to

2157
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:02,480
i have to kind of look at that and go

2158
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:03,440
well

2159
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:06,880
we probably won't know uh neither

2160
01:28:12,149 --> 01:28:10,159
uh eric davis nor of course uh admiral

2161
01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:12,159
wilson neither of them come out and

2162
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:13,840
admit yeah that that conversation

2163
01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:15,120
happened all the information that we

2164
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,560
talked about that's all accurate here's

2165
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:18,400
where the information came from there

2166
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:20,560
are a lot of you know threads left kind

2167
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:23,679
of dangling from that and so when eric

2168
01:28:27,750 --> 01:28:26,560
davis says yes i briefed senate and you

2169
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:27,760
know we know that there have been

2170
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:29,280
recoveries and things what's the source

2171
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:30,719
for that information where where did

2172
01:28:33,510 --> 01:28:32,080
that come from where is the evidence

2173
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:33,520
that helps us establish that as a

2174
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:35,840
reality well i spoke to you i've got to

2175
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:38,480
take a break right here but i i spoke to

2176
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:41,360
ralph blumenthal on this program about

2177
01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:44,320
that specific point and he said jimmy i

2178
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:46,000
i'm paraphrasing he said you know all

2179
01:28:51,189 --> 01:28:48,400
i'm going to say is that the new york

2180
01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:51,199
times did their due diligence and vetted

2181
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:53,120
that quote

2182
01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:54,960
and that's how it made it into the new

2183
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:56,320
york times let's take our break right

2184
01:29:00,870 --> 01:28:58,320
here this is fade to black i'm murals

2185
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:00,880
jimmy church tonight micah hanks

2186
01:29:07,189 --> 01:29:03,679
we've got a lot more to break down

2187
01:29:08,629 --> 01:29:07,199
in this ndaa and what it means for 2022.

2188
01:29:11,850 --> 01:29:08,639
we'll do all of that after this short

2189
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:17,680
[Music]

2190
01:29:33,550 --> 01:29:31,430
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2191
01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:33,560
you're listening to fade to black

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01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:36,239
[Applause]

2193
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:38,400
you're listening to jimmy church and

2194
01:29:44,900 --> 01:29:39,920
fade to black

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01:29:44,910 --> 01:29:56,629
[Applause]

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this is jimmy church and i personally

2197
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:02,000
invite you to the 2022 conscious life

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for the first time we're going to be

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discussing the akashic records

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wednesday night serena wright taylor and

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susan slaughter are with us to talk

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01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:05,679
about the 2022 conscious life expo then

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01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:07,280
of course thursday night is another

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fader night with open lines all night

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long uh tonight mike and i are

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01:34:19,030 --> 01:34:15,440
discussing uh washington d.c

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01:34:23,189 --> 01:34:19,040
and uaps in 2022

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01:34:25,430 --> 01:34:23,199
and going back to the ndaa uh one of the

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01:34:28,390 --> 01:34:25,440
points that i wanted to mention

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01:34:30,149 --> 01:34:28,400
was this crash retrieval aspect that was

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in the ndaa

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not addressed uh in the gillibrand uh

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01:34:39,590 --> 01:34:36,639
addition to the ndaa

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um now one of the concerns and then i'm

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01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:41,760
going to go through the points

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01:34:48,310 --> 01:34:44,000
uh the bullet points of the gila brand

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01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:48,320
amendment but one of the things that are

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01:34:54,390 --> 01:34:51,840
are stressed by both marco rubio and

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01:34:56,950 --> 01:34:54,400
gillibrand are that a that we have full

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01:34:59,030 --> 01:34:56,960
bipartisan support on the uap issue on

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01:35:01,270 --> 01:34:59,040
both sides of the aisle i think that's

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01:35:03,590 --> 01:35:01,280
very interesting how they are

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01:35:05,350 --> 01:35:03,600
stressing that this is uh this is a

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01:35:07,669 --> 01:35:05,360
national thing this isn't

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uh anything that's partisan number one

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01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:10,800
but number two uh both gillibrand and

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01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:15,360
rubio and others i've got many quotes

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01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:18,239
from different legislators about this

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01:35:20,070 --> 01:35:19,280
is that

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they

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are

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making sure

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that all 17 of the intelligence agencies

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work hand in hand and share information

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with all the branches of the military

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and then in turn to

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01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:39,199
capitol hill and report on that

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01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:41,280
has anybody ever played in the sandbox

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together in the past huh well i was

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01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:45,520
going to word it differently jimmy i was

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01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:46,960
going to say i'll believe it when i see

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it

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you know again if you recall brian

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bender even prior to the issuance of the

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01:35:58,470 --> 01:35:56,400
the uap task force's report right to the

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01:36:00,070 --> 01:35:58,480
direct office of the director of

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national intelligence

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01:36:04,310 --> 01:36:01,840
if you look at what brian bender

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01:36:05,669 --> 01:36:04,320
reported there had been the uh

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01:36:07,830 --> 01:36:05,679
perception

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01:36:09,830 --> 01:36:07,840
in washington that the uap task force

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01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:09,840
again a task force of what was it two

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01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:11,679
individuals you know who had day jobs

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01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:13,360
but in their spare time

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01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:14,400
we're supposed to be collecting

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01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:16,159
information from these agencies about

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01:36:19,109 --> 01:36:17,520
uap and what the government knew about

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01:36:20,790 --> 01:36:19,119
it and they said that they felt that

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they were being stiff armed

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01:36:24,550 --> 01:36:22,560
by some of these intelligence agencies

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01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:24,560
which did not appear to want to have to

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01:36:28,149 --> 01:36:26,480
provide the information that they

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01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:28,159
collected that had to relate you know

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01:36:32,149 --> 01:36:30,560
any kind of relationship to uap

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01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:32,159
something that's really interesting is

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01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:33,360
if you go back and you look through some

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01:36:37,510 --> 01:36:35,920
of the literature from over the years

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01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:37,520
you do get little gleanings about what

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01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:39,040
the government's attitude and what

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01:36:43,030 --> 01:36:41,840
different agencies attitudes are toward

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01:36:46,070 --> 01:36:43,040
this topic

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01:36:47,430 --> 01:36:46,080
in forbidden science volume 3 by jacques

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valet

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he is

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01:36:53,430 --> 01:36:50,840
expressing at some point in the mid

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01:36:55,030 --> 01:36:53,440
1980s some uh

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01:36:57,510 --> 01:36:55,040
opinions i guess

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01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:57,520
about the uh this would have been the

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01:37:01,750 --> 01:36:59,520
advanced theoretical physics project

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01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:01,760
that john alexander was putting together

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01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:04,159
uh presumably kick green you know and of

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01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:05,600
course hal put off and a lot of guys

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01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:06,400
were

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01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:08,159
kind of in that circle and i think it

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01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:10,880
had been hal who was talking to valet

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01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:12,800
about it and valet was pretty skeptical

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01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:14,000
about it and he's

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01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:16,080
in his private journal making some notes

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01:37:19,109 --> 01:37:17,440
and saying you know there's this meeting

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01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:19,119
in washington

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01:37:23,109 --> 01:37:20,960
of these people and he's again kind of

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01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:23,119
like well yeah i won't hold my breath

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01:37:27,669 --> 01:37:25,040
and throughout his journal he maintains

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01:37:29,270 --> 01:37:27,679
that attitude but at one point he says

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01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:29,280
you know this meeting occurred

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01:37:33,510 --> 01:37:31,600
apparently the other day

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01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:33,520
hal was like a part of this maybe kit

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01:37:35,590 --> 01:37:34,800
was there

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01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:35,600
and

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01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:38,880
the the ironic part was that

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01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:40,800
the thing that everyone at the meeting

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01:37:44,149 --> 01:37:42,880
had in common was that they had all in

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01:37:46,830 --> 01:37:44,159
their various

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01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:46,840
agencies or lines of work they had

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01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:49,600
encountered signals

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01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:51,840
that could not be identified but none of

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01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:54,800
this had directly to do with ufos

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01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:56,400
right in other words everybody who was

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01:38:00,709 --> 01:37:58,560
there talking about ufos they didn't

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01:38:02,470 --> 01:38:00,719
they weren't directly looking at ufos

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01:38:05,270 --> 01:38:02,480
they were what they had in common was

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01:38:07,430 --> 01:38:05,280
the fact that unrecognized signals

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01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:07,440
having to do with again what some might

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01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:09,840
interpret as being related to ufo

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01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:11,040
phenomenon

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01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:12,880
they had all experienced these things in

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01:38:16,310 --> 01:38:15,199
some presumably technological capacity i

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01:38:17,109 --> 01:38:16,320
find that really interesting because

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01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:17,119
again

2386
01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:19,119
this reminds me also of the famous

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01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:21,199
citizens against ufo secrecy battle

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01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:23,040
against the nsa

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01:38:27,189 --> 01:38:24,960
back a few decades ago where there was a

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01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:27,199
lawsuit filed against the nsa to try and

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01:38:30,629 --> 01:38:28,880
get them to have to release their ufo

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01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:30,639
documents and of course if you recall a

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01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:33,280
district judge ruled in favor of the nsa

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01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:34,320
saying that

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01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:36,320
you know the information

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01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:38,000
that they are withholding

2397
01:38:42,070 --> 01:38:39,520
although it might be of great interest

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01:38:44,229 --> 01:38:42,080
to the ufo community and in truth there

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01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:44,239
may be some benefits to that being

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01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:45,440
released

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01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:46,639
that interest

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01:38:50,709 --> 01:38:48,400
is not greater than the national

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01:38:53,109 --> 01:38:50,719
security interest that the nsa

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01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:53,119
is you know expressing to us

2405
01:38:56,830 --> 01:38:54,960
in terms of how important it is that

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01:38:59,590 --> 01:38:56,840
that information not be released and

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01:39:01,750 --> 01:38:59,600
thereby that information we feel should

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01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:01,760
be kept secret now of course at least

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01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:04,000
the affidavit i believe that you know

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01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:06,159
kind of explained all this various

2411
01:39:09,990 --> 01:39:07,920
versions of it each with a little more

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01:39:11,189 --> 01:39:10,000
information unredacted have been

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01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:11,199
released over the years and it gives us

2414
01:39:15,510 --> 01:39:13,760
an idea of what the nsa was withholding

2415
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:15,520
yeah they may from time to time gather

2416
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:17,280
information on unknown you know

2417
01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:18,960
uncorrelated targets and things

2418
01:39:22,070 --> 01:39:20,800
different terms that they use for it but

2419
01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:22,080
a lot of the time the way that they

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01:39:25,750 --> 01:39:23,760
collect that information

2421
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:25,760
and other information tangent to the ufo

2422
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:27,280
itself they're like no no no we don't

2423
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:28,800
want people knowing that we don't want

2424
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:30,800
our enemies knowing anything about that

2425
01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:32,880
we are going to fight to our last breath

2426
01:39:36,790 --> 01:39:34,480
to keep that information withheld and so

2427
01:39:38,229 --> 01:39:36,800
the frustrating part even for the uap

2428
01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:38,239
task force

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01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:39,840
and especially for civilian ufo

2430
01:39:43,510 --> 01:39:41,360
researchers who love to know what the

2431
01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:43,520
government has is that

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01:39:47,109 --> 01:39:44,800
and likely that a lot of this stuff

2433
01:39:48,709 --> 01:39:47,119
probably won't be released because

2434
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:48,719
these agencies want to protect their

2435
01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:50,719
methods their ways their means all these

2436
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:52,719
kinds of things and so yeah in my

2437
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:55,280
opinion not only do they not play along

2438
01:39:59,510 --> 01:39:57,280
with each other because of that

2439
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:59,520
there is very little chance that this

2440
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:00,960
information is going to be released to

2441
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:03,600
us and i doubt sincerely that even

2442
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:05,440
certain investigative agencies within

2443
01:40:08,950 --> 01:40:07,280
government are necessarily going to have

2444
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:08,960
an easy time getting access to it no

2445
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:11,360
matter what the house and the senate try

2446
01:40:15,830 --> 01:40:12,960
to pass into law

2447
01:40:18,790 --> 01:40:15,840
well rubio says here he says

2448
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:18,800
um it it is my hope that the creation of

2449
01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:20,960
the new joint defense department

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01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:22,560
intelligence community

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01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:23,920
office

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01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:25,920
focused on uaps

2453
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:27,840
uh will provided the resource the

2454
01:40:32,550 --> 01:40:29,520
analytics and attention needed to

2455
01:40:34,149 --> 01:40:32,560
determine what is loitering around in

2456
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:34,159
our airspace

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01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:35,040
so

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01:40:39,030 --> 01:40:36,400
again

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01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:39,040
who is going to

2460
01:40:43,030 --> 01:40:40,560
make sure

2461
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:43,040
that the different intelligence agencies

2462
01:40:47,669 --> 01:40:45,520
are sharing their information

2463
01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:47,679
over with the pentagon the military and

2464
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:49,679
the department of defense

2465
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:53,040
to establish this report to present to

2466
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:55,360
congress twice a year

2467
01:40:59,510 --> 01:40:56,719
yeah that's a good question you know

2468
01:41:01,750 --> 01:40:59,520
even prior to the passing of the ndaa

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01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:01,760
i'd also had a concern about whether or

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01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:05,280
not information collected by the aoi msg

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01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:07,119
would necessarily be provided to

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01:41:10,390 --> 01:41:08,320
congress and whether there would be a

2473
01:41:11,830 --> 01:41:10,400
whole lot of transparency there so

2474
01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:11,840
of course as i do

2475
01:41:14,709 --> 01:41:13,360
i was writing an article about this at

2476
01:41:16,149 --> 01:41:14,719
the time over there at the debrief and i

2477
01:41:17,990 --> 01:41:16,159
wrote to the pentagon

2478
01:41:19,990 --> 01:41:18,000
and a department of defense spokesperson

2479
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:20,000
susan goff got back in touch with me and

2480
01:41:24,229 --> 01:41:21,920
i want to quote from the statement she

2481
01:41:26,950 --> 01:41:24,239
provided me back in i guess this was

2482
01:41:28,870 --> 01:41:26,960
late november early december maybe

2483
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:28,880
and she said regarding your uh question

2484
01:41:32,709 --> 01:41:30,480
first i'd like to note for you let me

2485
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:32,719
skip ahead to the the specifics she said

2486
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:34,400
quote the department is committed to

2487
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:36,239
transparency with the congress and the

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01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:37,920
american people while balancing its

2489
01:41:41,189 --> 01:41:40,080
obligation to protect classified

2490
01:41:43,669 --> 01:41:41,199
information

2491
01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:43,679
in executing the aoi msg mission the

2492
01:41:46,870 --> 01:41:45,520
department will keep the congress fully

2493
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:46,880
and currently informed in both

2494
01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:49,840
unclassified and classified detail of

2495
01:41:53,189 --> 01:41:51,520
its activities and findings to enable

2496
01:41:55,030 --> 01:41:53,199
effective congressional oversight and

2497
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:55,040
accountability to the public

2498
01:41:58,390 --> 01:41:56,480
the department is eager to work with

2499
01:42:01,910 --> 01:41:58,400
congress as it completes its fiscal year

2500
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:01,920
2022 legislation to posture the aoi msg

2501
01:42:06,709 --> 01:42:05,040
for success regards susan goff that's

2502
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:06,719
what she wrote to me now again if taken

2503
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:08,320
at face value this would seem to

2504
01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:10,400
indicate that the pentagon has every

2505
01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:12,239
intention of keeping the congress fully

2506
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:14,239
informed i did find it interesting that

2507
01:42:18,629 --> 01:42:15,760
she said very specifically both

2508
01:42:20,470 --> 01:42:18,639
unclassified and classified

2509
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:20,480
which would seem to leave open for the

2510
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:22,480
possibility that there may be some level

2511
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:24,960
of future reporting that the public will

2512
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:27,040
have access to similar to the you know

2513
01:42:31,590 --> 01:42:29,119
the sanitized public version of the odni

2514
01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:31,600
report from june issued by the uab task

2515
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:33,840
force but again the problem i have with

2516
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:36,239
the aoi msg is despite the fact that a

2517
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:38,239
pentagon spokesperson wrote that to me

2518
01:42:42,629 --> 01:42:41,040
in response to my concerns and questions

2519
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:42,639
on the other side we also haven't seen

2520
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:44,400
anything in writing from a official

2521
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:46,719
government source apart from

2522
01:42:51,350 --> 01:42:49,040
her response to me as a journalist uh

2523
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:51,360
whereas with the gillibrand amendment to

2524
01:42:56,550 --> 01:42:53,920
the ndaa we have in writing exactly what

2525
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:56,560
senate expects from this uap

2526
01:43:01,590 --> 01:42:59,040
investigative group within government

2527
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:01,600
which it outlines before it actually is

2528
01:43:05,270 --> 01:43:03,360
instituted you see so again this coming

2529
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:05,280
actually from our representatives who we

2530
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:07,679
elect to represent us that's a big

2531
01:43:11,350 --> 01:43:09,679
difference on the one hand from the

2532
01:43:12,709 --> 01:43:11,360
pentagon and again what we might call a

2533
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:12,719
more bureaucratic element within

2534
01:43:17,189 --> 01:43:15,280
government simply establishing an office

2535
01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:17,199
which really again as louis lozano and

2536
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:18,480
others have pointed out this within an

2537
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:19,760
agency where there isn't really any

2538
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:21,920
oversight right so we're seeing this

2539
01:43:25,830 --> 01:43:24,480
just kind of by appointment and apart

2540
01:43:27,990 --> 01:43:25,840
from what i have been told as a

2541
01:43:29,669 --> 01:43:28,000
journalist we have no real assurances

2542
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:29,679
passed into law

2543
01:43:32,709 --> 01:43:30,960
that there is going to be the kind of

2544
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:32,719
accountability and oversight and

2545
01:43:39,189 --> 01:43:34,880
transparency that we're asking for

2546
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:39,199
does there need to be a uap czar

2547
01:43:43,030 --> 01:43:39,840
no

2548
01:43:44,149 --> 01:43:43,040
i'm being very serious somebody to make

2549
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:44,159
sure

2550
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:47,760
uh that that oversight between those 17

2551
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:49,679
intelligence agencies

2552
01:43:54,149 --> 01:43:51,520
that there is a point of contact and

2553
01:43:56,550 --> 01:43:54,159
they are indeed

2554
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:56,560
giving their information and filing

2555
01:44:02,709 --> 01:43:59,520
those reports as as needed

2556
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:02,719
to get to the central point between the

2557
01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:05,360
dod and the agencies and that this

2558
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:07,360
information is collected

2559
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:09,600
well you know i might like to see that i

2560
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:11,600
don't know how likely it is that

2561
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:13,199
everyone in government

2562
01:44:16,229 --> 01:44:14,480
is going to see that as being a

2563
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:16,239
necessity again you know if the only

2564
01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:17,760
concern that our you know

2565
01:44:22,470 --> 01:44:20,800
representatives had was uap

2566
01:44:25,350 --> 01:44:22,480
the ndaa wouldn't have been held up in

2567
01:44:26,709 --> 01:44:25,360
the senate on account of you know an

2568
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:26,719
issue over

2569
01:44:30,550 --> 01:44:28,880
uh marco rubio wanting a particular

2570
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:30,560
amendment added

2571
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:31,920
you know this is what ended up being a

2572
01:44:35,109 --> 01:44:34,080
stalemate and obviously to him and you

2573
01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:35,119
know i can understand from the

2574
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:37,840
perspective of an elected official you

2575
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:40,000
know that issue

2576
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:42,080
uh being more important to him and to

2577
01:44:46,830 --> 01:44:43,920
presumably his constituents and to maybe

2578
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:46,840
to his political party also than the uap

2579
01:44:51,189 --> 01:44:49,360
issue back to your earlier point what is

2580
01:44:53,270 --> 01:44:51,199
also interesting as you noted is the

2581
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:53,280
fact that i have seen very little

2582
01:44:57,189 --> 01:44:56,000
partisan bickering about uap it seems to

2583
01:44:58,950 --> 01:44:57,199
have been almost i mean there are going

2584
01:45:02,149 --> 01:44:58,960
to be some naysayers and some people who

2585
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:02,159
are kind of status quo holdouts who will

2586
01:45:06,550 --> 01:45:04,480
hear nothing about little green men and

2587
01:45:07,590 --> 01:45:06,560
anything that they even tangently relate

2588
01:45:09,109 --> 01:45:07,600
to that but

2589
01:45:10,229 --> 01:45:09,119
among those who have supported this

2590
01:45:12,310 --> 01:45:10,239
issue

2591
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:12,320
i mean there seems to be

2592
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:14,719
bipartisan support to the fullest

2593
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:16,719
and even some people like adam schiff

2594
01:45:20,950 --> 01:45:19,360
who have uh you know seemed underwhelmed

2595
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:20,960
in their earlier statements about their

2596
01:45:24,229 --> 01:45:22,639
briefings on uap

2597
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:24,239
have later come out and issued

2598
01:45:28,229 --> 01:45:25,920
statements about it on their website

2599
01:45:29,669 --> 01:45:28,239
following the passage of some of this uh

2600
01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:29,679
legislation

2601
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:31,679
which definitely seems to

2602
01:45:35,189 --> 01:45:33,600
convey to me and really i think more

2603
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:35,199
broadly should convey to all americans

2604
01:45:38,550 --> 01:45:36,639
and people around the world that the

2605
01:45:40,149 --> 01:45:38,560
united states government they are not

2606
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:40,159
treating this along partisan lines they

2607
01:45:43,109 --> 01:45:41,760
all seem to be in agreement that if

2608
01:45:44,950 --> 01:45:43,119
we're going to look at this issue let's

2609
01:45:47,590 --> 01:45:44,960
look at it and let's really go all in

2610
01:45:48,950 --> 01:45:47,600
and treat it very seriously now

2611
01:45:51,109 --> 01:45:48,960
another issue of course i think that

2612
01:45:53,510 --> 01:45:51,119
you'd mentioned had been the idea of a

2613
01:45:55,750 --> 01:45:53,520
uap czar we don't have that but there

2614
01:45:57,189 --> 01:45:55,760
are actually a couple of different

2615
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:57,199
mechanisms

2616
01:46:01,910 --> 01:45:59,280
that are supposed to provide oversight

2617
01:46:04,550 --> 01:46:01,920
in the case of the aoi msg we have the

2618
01:46:07,750 --> 01:46:04,560
even more

2619
01:46:09,910 --> 01:46:07,760
how shall we say the velvet word

2620
01:46:12,070 --> 01:46:09,920
choice that they have employed in their

2621
01:46:13,270 --> 01:46:12,080
attempts to create these memorable names

2622
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:13,280
we have the airborne object

2623
01:46:17,510 --> 01:46:15,199
identification and management executive

2624
01:46:18,629 --> 01:46:17,520
council or aoimex

2625
01:46:20,550 --> 01:46:18,639
ec

2626
01:46:21,510 --> 01:46:20,560
i mean say it three times fast ladies

2627
01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:21,520
and gents

2628
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:22,480
that

2629
01:46:27,270 --> 01:46:24,800
again is supposed to be an oversight

2630
01:46:28,790 --> 01:46:27,280
committee or council that will provide

2631
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:28,800
um

2632
01:46:34,790 --> 01:46:30,719
i guess well again oversight and and

2633
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:34,800
counsel to the aoi msg the asro also uh

2634
01:46:39,750 --> 01:46:37,199
has asked for one but again once we see

2635
01:46:42,470 --> 01:46:39,760
the actual amendment we learn very

2636
01:46:43,830 --> 01:46:42,480
quickly exactly what they hope for which

2637
01:46:46,149 --> 01:46:43,840
is to have members of the galileo

2638
01:46:48,229 --> 01:46:46,159
project headed by avi loeb of of harvard

2639
01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:48,239
university a couple of members from that

2640
01:46:51,669 --> 01:46:49,440
group we also have the scientific

2641
01:46:53,189 --> 01:46:51,679
coalition for uap studies i'm a member

2642
01:46:55,189 --> 01:46:53,199
of that group just an associate member

2643
01:46:56,629 --> 01:46:55,199
by the way but again you know i've

2644
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:56,639
supported their efforts for a long time

2645
01:47:00,229 --> 01:46:58,560
to the point that i joined our

2646
01:47:01,830 --> 01:47:00,239
organization also is supposed to have a

2647
01:47:04,229 --> 01:47:01,840
couple of members

2648
01:47:06,229 --> 01:47:04,239
on the oversight committee that provides

2649
01:47:07,990 --> 01:47:06,239
counsel to the asro

2650
01:47:10,149 --> 01:47:08,000
and of course also members i think of

2651
01:47:11,510 --> 01:47:10,159
the national science foundation nasa all

2652
01:47:12,470 --> 01:47:11,520
these other different agencies i

2653
01:47:14,709 --> 01:47:12,480
probably got a list around here

2654
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:14,719
somewhere but take my word for it i mean

2655
01:47:18,709 --> 01:47:16,800
there is a wide swath of people from

2656
01:47:20,550 --> 01:47:18,719
intelligence and from different

2657
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:20,560
scientific organizations and some of

2658
01:47:23,830 --> 01:47:22,880
course whose specialty like with scu

2659
01:47:25,750 --> 01:47:23,840
members

2660
01:47:28,149 --> 01:47:25,760
is uap studies

2661
01:47:30,470 --> 01:47:28,159
that are supposed to be providing their

2662
01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:30,480
oversight and providing their counsel to

2663
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:32,560
the asro now that to me is extremely

2664
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:34,800
hopeful it may not be a uap czar but

2665
01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:36,080
again that's the closest i think we're

2666
01:47:40,709 --> 01:47:39,119
going to get well gallego

2667
01:47:43,030 --> 01:47:40,719
said this

2668
01:47:45,189 --> 01:47:43,040
and i quote right now our system of

2669
01:47:46,550 --> 01:47:45,199
tracking and identifying uaps is

2670
01:47:48,149 --> 01:47:46,560
scattered throughout the department of

2671
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:48,159
defense and other departments and

2672
01:47:53,430 --> 01:47:50,480
agencies of the federal government

2673
01:47:55,270 --> 01:47:53,440
based on briefings i've received as

2674
01:47:58,149 --> 01:47:55,280
chairman of the house intelligence and

2675
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:58,159
special operations subcommittee i firmly

2676
01:48:02,310 --> 01:47:59,920
believe that the department of defense

2677
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:02,320
and the intelligence community need to

2678
01:48:06,550 --> 01:48:04,560
come together and create a permanent

2679
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:06,560
synchronized structure to collect and

2680
01:48:11,750 --> 01:48:09,360
analyze uap data i'm excited that the

2681
01:48:14,470 --> 01:48:11,760
amendment i introduced alongside senator

2682
01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:14,480
gillibrand was included in the final

2683
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:17,199
version of the ndaa

2684
01:48:20,950 --> 01:48:19,840
so they are clearly addressing this

2685
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:20,960
issue

2686
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:23,840
but they're i i i believe that there

2687
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:26,480
needs to be somebody appointed to make

2688
01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:27,600
sure

2689
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:29,360
that the

2690
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:31,040
you can't trust the intelligence

2691
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:33,679
community to give up information you've

2692
01:48:37,910 --> 01:48:36,239
got to pull the information from them

2693
01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:37,920
and that needs to be done and there

2694
01:48:41,590 --> 01:48:39,920
needs to be somebody appointed to make

2695
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:41,600
sure that this happens

2696
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:43,600
you know what's paradoxical about that

2697
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:45,520
is that there on the one hand is the

2698
01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:46,560
side of

2699
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:48,719
you know intelligence agencies sharing

2700
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:50,480
information with each other and i often

2701
01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:53,040
reference a book called secrecy by the

2702
01:48:55,990 --> 01:48:54,960
late senator daniel patrick moynihan

2703
01:48:57,430 --> 01:48:56,000
which

2704
01:48:58,550 --> 01:48:57,440
you know again having nothing to do with

2705
01:49:00,870 --> 01:48:58,560
uap

2706
01:49:02,390 --> 01:49:00,880
looks at this very issue and the problem

2707
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:02,400
of sharing intelligence he actually

2708
01:49:08,149 --> 01:49:05,520
relates it to 911 and how that you know

2709
01:49:09,669 --> 01:49:08,159
again horrible terrorist act you know

2710
01:49:11,189 --> 01:49:09,679
carried out against americans on

2711
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:11,199
american soil might have been prevented

2712
01:49:13,990 --> 01:49:12,719
had there been better intelligence

2713
01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:14,000
sharing among other things that he

2714
01:49:17,510 --> 01:49:16,320
addresses in that book but

2715
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:17,520
you know on the other hand it's

2716
01:49:21,030 --> 01:49:19,360
fascinating to me that i've filed foia

2717
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:21,040
requests with different agencies in

2718
01:49:24,550 --> 01:49:22,320
government

2719
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:24,560
and from time to time they will write

2720
01:49:27,430 --> 01:49:26,000
back to me in their preliminary

2721
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:27,440
responses and say you know we're going

2722
01:49:30,629 --> 01:49:28,960
to need some time getting back to you on

2723
01:49:32,709 --> 01:49:30,639
this request mr hanks

2724
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:32,719
and one of the reasons is because the

2725
01:49:36,709 --> 01:49:35,040
information you are requesting

2726
01:49:39,189 --> 01:49:36,719
from us

2727
01:49:42,070 --> 01:49:39,199
is actually held by other agencies with

2728
01:49:44,149 --> 01:49:42,080
whom we must first actually correspond

2729
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:44,159
to ensure that we have the ability to

2730
01:49:47,430 --> 01:49:45,760
release the information they provide to

2731
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:47,440
us to you

2732
01:49:52,390 --> 01:49:50,400
so their actual reasoning for either

2733
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:52,400
staving off or perhaps eventually

2734
01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:55,360
denying a request to me as a journalist

2735
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:56,719
has to do with the fact that they say

2736
01:49:59,990 --> 01:49:58,159
that they have to coordinate with other

2737
01:50:01,350 --> 01:50:00,000
branches of government so on the one

2738
01:50:03,430 --> 01:50:01,360
hand they don't seem to be sharing

2739
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:03,440
enough on others it's rather convenient

2740
01:50:07,109 --> 01:50:05,520
at times that they can say well you know

2741
01:50:08,550 --> 01:50:07,119
we'd give this to you if it was just us

2742
01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:08,560
and we could just clear it for release

2743
01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:09,840
but we gotta check with all these other

2744
01:50:12,790 --> 01:50:11,520
agencies we'll get back to you in three

2745
01:50:16,229 --> 01:50:12,800
years

2746
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:16,239
yeah exactly and uh one of you know

2747
01:50:22,310 --> 01:50:18,960
going back to the collection of uh

2748
01:50:24,070 --> 01:50:22,320
of data uh that is one of the uh bullet

2749
01:50:27,350 --> 01:50:24,080
points in the gila brand amendment the

2750
01:50:31,109 --> 01:50:27,360
collection and analysis of data into

2751
01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:31,119
a central repository the uap office will

2752
01:50:35,910 --> 01:50:33,199
supervise the development and execution

2753
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:35,920
of intelligence collection and analysis

2754
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:38,000
regarding uaps in order to understand

2755
01:50:42,149 --> 01:50:40,639
their technical and scientific

2756
01:50:44,470 --> 01:50:42,159
characteristics

2757
01:50:46,310 --> 01:50:44,480
the uap office will receive relevant

2758
01:50:49,270 --> 01:50:46,320
data immediately

2759
01:50:51,750 --> 01:50:49,280
from the intelligence community agencies

2760
01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:51,760
it's spelled out there clearly there it

2761
01:50:54,870 --> 01:50:53,280
is you're absolutely right and i

2762
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:54,880
sincerely hope that the intelligence

2763
01:50:59,430 --> 01:50:57,360
community will respond on these issues

2764
01:51:01,189 --> 01:50:59,440
and maybe see at least certain aspects

2765
01:51:03,030 --> 01:51:01,199
of this as being apart from their

2766
01:51:05,910 --> 01:51:03,040
primary missions where they are

2767
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:05,920
collecting data and again tangent to the

2768
01:51:08,310 --> 01:51:07,280
information that they're collecting and

2769
01:51:10,629 --> 01:51:08,320
the reasons that they have for

2770
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:10,639
collecting that data when ufo

2771
01:51:13,750 --> 01:51:12,560
information is collected oh look there

2772
01:51:14,790 --> 01:51:13,760
was something there that we can't

2773
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:14,800
identify

2774
01:51:18,790 --> 01:51:16,400
i hope that information will be passed

2775
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:18,800
along as outlined in the in the wording

2776
01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:20,800
there that you mentioned that to me is

2777
01:51:23,830 --> 01:51:22,639
hopeful and again this is why i think it

2778
01:51:26,310 --> 01:51:23,840
was so important that there be a

2779
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:26,320
legislative process that passes into law

2780
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:27,840
the establishment of an organization

2781
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:29,280
like if it ends up still being called

2782
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:31,199
the anomaly surveillance and resolution

2783
01:51:35,830 --> 01:51:33,280
office as the gila brand amendment

2784
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:35,840
initially proposed whatever they name it

2785
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:38,000
the key here is that we have the

2786
01:51:41,030 --> 01:51:39,679
distinction here of this being passed

2787
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:41,040
into law

2788
01:51:46,390 --> 01:51:44,239
and again the essentially mandate for

2789
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:46,400
this to be enacted as was passed into

2790
01:51:50,870 --> 01:51:48,719
law by the ndaa earlier this year versus

2791
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:50,880
the simple appointment of something

2792
01:51:53,830 --> 01:51:52,719
within the pentagon that is thereby

2793
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:53,840
thereafter

2794
01:51:58,629 --> 01:51:56,239
announced and we have no idea apart from

2795
01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:58,639
what they tell us how it will function

2796
01:52:01,830 --> 01:52:00,080
you know how it will

2797
01:52:03,669 --> 01:52:01,840
be managed and how information will be

2798
01:52:05,109 --> 01:52:03,679
passed on to congress

2799
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:05,119
you know when information is collected

2800
01:52:10,390 --> 01:52:07,119
by the organization now

2801
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:10,400
my my hope is that now with two agencies

2802
01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:12,560
the group within the pentagon the aoi

2803
01:52:17,109 --> 01:52:14,880
msg and then the asro

2804
01:52:18,790 --> 01:52:17,119
different information in different uh

2805
01:52:20,310 --> 01:52:18,800
spheres you know different areas of

2806
01:52:21,510 --> 01:52:20,320
government for different purposes will

2807
01:52:23,510 --> 01:52:21,520
be collected

2808
01:52:26,229 --> 01:52:23,520
and the overall it may actually provide

2809
01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:26,239
a more comprehensive picture but again

2810
01:52:29,350 --> 01:52:27,920
the question will thereafter be well how

2811
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:29,360
much information trickles down to the

2812
01:52:33,430 --> 01:52:31,679
public now i think with the asro much

2813
01:52:35,750 --> 01:52:33,440
like with the odni report we're supposed

2814
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:35,760
to get some kind of reports

2815
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:37,920
and based on what susan goff clarified

2816
01:52:42,550 --> 01:52:39,840
for me unclassified information

2817
01:52:44,709 --> 01:52:42,560
collected by the aoi msg passed on to

2818
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:44,719
congress presumably would thereafter be

2819
01:52:48,070 --> 01:52:46,320
able to be accessible either through

2820
01:52:50,229 --> 01:52:48,080
direct release or perhaps through

2821
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:50,239
appeals via freedom of information act

2822
01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:51,760
but again it still comes back to us as

2823
01:52:55,910 --> 01:52:53,520
civilian researchers doing what robert

2824
01:52:57,830 --> 01:52:55,920
hastings did years ago he asked a file

2825
01:53:00,070 --> 01:52:57,840
request and he asked to go go after

2826
01:53:02,709 --> 01:53:00,080
information and i wonder how many more

2827
01:53:04,950 --> 01:53:02,719
textbooks on uap investigations will be

2828
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:04,960
written by pentagon study groups based

2829
01:53:09,350 --> 01:53:07,040
on civilian data that was collected

2830
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:09,360
having to work from the outside right i

2831
01:53:13,750 --> 01:53:11,520
remember talking a while back in an off

2832
01:53:16,149 --> 01:53:13,760
the mic discussion with lou elizondo and

2833
01:53:18,070 --> 01:53:16,159
he had been explaining to me you know

2834
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:18,080
this is the very reason why i left

2835
01:53:20,709 --> 01:53:19,119
government and had to come into the

2836
01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:20,719
civilian sector i asked him i said how

2837
01:53:24,870 --> 01:53:23,119
could you possibly do more as a civilian

2838
01:53:26,790 --> 01:53:24,880
researcher than when you were in

2839
01:53:29,109 --> 01:53:26,800
government with the you know access and

2840
01:53:30,870 --> 01:53:29,119
the resources that you had

2841
01:53:32,550 --> 01:53:30,880
as a government employee

2842
01:53:34,310 --> 01:53:32,560
but i mean over time it becomes more and

2843
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:34,320
more clear to me that with an issue like

2844
01:53:39,430 --> 01:53:36,960
this as stigmatized as it is

2845
01:53:41,910 --> 01:53:39,440
uh and with all of the problems

2846
01:53:43,589 --> 01:53:41,920
concomitant ideologically socially

2847
01:53:44,790 --> 01:53:43,599
scientifically technologically and

2848
01:53:46,550 --> 01:53:44,800
otherwise

2849
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:46,560
con commitment with the study of a topic

2850
01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:50,320
like uap as complex as uap is you know a

2851
01:53:53,350 --> 01:53:51,840
tremendous amount of the information is

2852
01:53:55,350 --> 01:53:53,360
going to have to be collected by

2853
01:53:57,430 --> 01:53:55,360
civilians scientists you know again i'm

2854
01:54:00,229 --> 01:53:57,440
very hopeful for what avi loeb hopes to

2855
01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:00,239
do with the uh the uh um

2856
01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:02,320
uh galileo project almost like galago

2857
01:54:06,470 --> 01:54:04,320
we're talking about the

2858
01:54:08,870 --> 01:54:06,480
galileo project you know i'm very

2859
01:54:10,390 --> 01:54:08,880
hopeful that he and his you know fellow

2860
01:54:12,470 --> 01:54:10,400
scientists who are now taking this issue

2861
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:12,480
seriously that they can do exactly what

2862
01:54:16,070 --> 01:54:13,840
he has said which is you know look at

2863
01:54:18,149 --> 01:54:16,080
the skies the skies unlike government

2864
01:54:20,070 --> 01:54:18,159
are not classified and when we reach

2865
01:54:21,589 --> 01:54:20,080
that limit to how much information we

2866
01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:21,599
can glean from government about this

2867
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:22,800
phenomenon

2868
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:24,560
the scientists need to pick up the you

2869
01:54:27,990 --> 01:54:25,920
know the game there and they need to

2870
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:28,000
continue forward and say okay and from

2871
01:54:31,109 --> 01:54:29,520
this point on we are going to do the

2872
01:54:32,390 --> 01:54:31,119
work we're going to get the information

2873
01:54:34,470 --> 01:54:32,400
we're going to make that publicly

2874
01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:34,480
available we need the people ladies and

2875
01:54:37,990 --> 01:54:36,320
gents have a right to know that's right

2876
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:38,000
that's right and we'll talk about those

2877
01:54:43,669 --> 01:54:40,960
reports uh uh when we come back after

2878
01:54:46,390 --> 01:54:43,679
the break but the question that i have

2879
01:54:49,109 --> 01:54:46,400
is how classified is classified

2880
01:54:52,070 --> 01:54:49,119
in that

2881
01:54:54,470 --> 01:54:52,080
even the classified information that

2882
01:54:57,510 --> 01:54:54,480
does make it to congress there will be a

2883
01:55:00,390 --> 01:54:57,520
point where some of those agencies are

2884
01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:00,400
going to say we can't go further

2885
01:55:06,709 --> 01:55:04,560
that's classified right above and beyond

2886
01:55:07,910 --> 01:55:06,719
what is told in the classified section

2887
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:07,920
of congress

2888
01:55:12,790 --> 01:55:09,920
that there will be

2889
01:55:15,990 --> 01:55:12,800
stuff that those agencies will clearly

2890
01:55:16,950 --> 01:55:16,000
say that's classified

2891
01:55:18,950 --> 01:55:16,960
right

2892
01:55:20,790 --> 01:55:18,960
absolutely you know that reminds me of

2893
01:55:22,709 --> 01:55:20,800
something else too jimmy another

2894
01:55:24,310 --> 01:55:22,719
question that you know at the debrief

2895
01:55:25,830 --> 01:55:24,320
something we've discussed you know kind

2896
01:55:27,669 --> 01:55:25,840
of behind the scenes and a question that

2897
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:27,679
i personally have had too is

2898
01:55:31,109 --> 01:55:29,920
uh if you look at the odni report

2899
01:55:33,669 --> 01:55:31,119
okay

2900
01:55:35,350 --> 01:55:33,679
most of the information that appears in

2901
01:55:38,070 --> 01:55:35,360
that report even though we're only given

2902
01:55:40,870 --> 01:55:38,080
a very very general synopsis

2903
01:55:42,070 --> 01:55:40,880
none of the actual details are provided

2904
01:55:43,589 --> 01:55:42,080
and again

2905
01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:43,599
something i definitely take pride in in

2906
01:55:47,669 --> 01:55:45,520
the fact that as we have reported on

2907
01:55:49,510 --> 01:55:47,679
this uh since our founding with the

2908
01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:49,520
debrief we i think have

2909
01:55:53,669 --> 01:55:51,920
illuminated some areas

2910
01:55:55,510 --> 01:55:53,679
that in likelihood in fact it's actually

2911
01:55:57,189 --> 01:55:55,520
been confirmed to us by the pentagon in

2912
01:55:59,910 --> 01:55:57,199
at least one instance that i know of but

2913
01:56:01,109 --> 01:55:59,920
probably more uh that there were there

2914
01:56:02,870 --> 01:56:01,119
were materials that were not

2915
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:02,880
specifically referenced in the odni

2916
01:56:06,790 --> 01:56:04,639
report that we know had been within the

2917
01:56:07,910 --> 01:56:06,800
purview of what the uap task force had

2918
01:56:09,270 --> 01:56:07,920
been looking at

2919
01:56:10,709 --> 01:56:09,280
one example of course had been the

2920
01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:10,719
footage that had been associated with

2921
01:56:15,030 --> 01:56:13,520
the uh uss omaha incident right this

2922
01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:15,040
kind of like balloon-like object that's

2923
01:56:18,629 --> 01:56:17,280
descending and then it splashes down and

2924
01:56:21,589 --> 01:56:18,639
very unlike a balloon it goes under the

2925
01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:21,599
water you know my point is that we by

2926
01:56:25,430 --> 01:56:23,360
confirming the authenticity of that

2927
01:56:27,030 --> 01:56:25,440
video with the pentagon and again it was

2928
01:56:29,589 --> 01:56:27,040
susan goff that actually confirmed that

2929
01:56:31,510 --> 01:56:29,599
to us and further stated that and this

2930
01:56:33,910 --> 01:56:31,520
was something that was being examined by

2931
01:56:35,510 --> 01:56:33,920
the uab task force that gives us an

2932
01:56:37,350 --> 01:56:35,520
example of the kinds of things that are

2933
01:56:38,550 --> 01:56:37,360
not mentioned specifically in the odni

2934
01:56:41,669 --> 01:56:38,560
report but which we know that they were

2935
01:56:43,109 --> 01:56:41,679
looking at as instances involving uap

2936
01:56:45,350 --> 01:56:43,119
there are other examples we've reported

2937
01:56:46,629 --> 01:56:45,360
on there at the debrief but my broader

2938
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:46,639
point here

2939
01:56:50,149 --> 01:56:48,880
is that when it comes to access to that

2940
01:56:52,149 --> 01:56:50,159
information and trying to understand

2941
01:56:53,589 --> 01:56:52,159
what they're studying the odni report

2942
01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:53,599
says that most of the data that they

2943
01:56:57,910 --> 01:56:55,360
looked at was collected you know between

2944
01:56:59,910 --> 01:56:57,920
2019 and you know 2021 so i mean within

2945
01:57:02,310 --> 01:56:59,920
a very short period right there

2946
01:57:04,149 --> 01:57:02,320
and so the guys and i at the debrief

2947
01:57:06,870 --> 01:57:04,159
we've wondered it's like okay if there's

2948
01:57:08,629 --> 01:57:06,880
a whole you know maybe 70 years or more

2949
01:57:11,189 --> 01:57:08,639
of information that has been collected

2950
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:11,199
by government are the new investigative

2951
01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:13,440
committees going to have access to all

2952
01:57:17,270 --> 01:57:15,760
that the historical data this comes back

2953
01:57:18,629 --> 01:57:17,280
around the very fundamental question you

2954
01:57:20,550 --> 01:57:18,639
asked earlier about the updates on

2955
01:57:21,669 --> 01:57:20,560
effort to capture or exploit discovered

2956
01:57:24,550 --> 01:57:21,679
uap

2957
01:57:25,669 --> 01:57:24,560
well on the outside chance you know

2958
01:57:27,669 --> 01:57:25,679
let's go down the rabbit hole for a

2959
01:57:29,270 --> 01:57:27,679
minute if it had been captured in the

2960
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:29,280
past do they have access to that

2961
01:57:32,310 --> 01:57:30,480
information

2962
01:57:35,189 --> 01:57:32,320
and if so how will that inform their

2963
01:57:36,790 --> 01:57:35,199
foregoing or rather their forthcoming uh

2964
01:57:38,390 --> 01:57:36,800
investigations you know as we move into

2965
01:57:39,990 --> 01:57:38,400
2022 and beyond

2966
01:57:41,589 --> 01:57:40,000
you know are they going to have a better

2967
01:57:43,750 --> 01:57:41,599
grasp on what we're dealing with based

2968
01:57:45,750 --> 01:57:43,760
on what has been collected now for

2969
01:57:47,030 --> 01:57:45,760
more than half a century i'd like to

2970
01:57:48,470 --> 01:57:47,040
hope so

2971
01:57:50,310 --> 01:57:48,480
let's take our break right here our

2972
01:57:51,430 --> 01:57:50,320
guest tonight the one and only micah

2973
01:57:53,589 --> 01:57:51,440
hanks

2974
01:57:55,750 --> 01:57:53,599
talking about the ndaa when we come back

2975
01:57:57,589 --> 01:57:55,760
we'll talk about those reports and i

2976
01:57:59,189 --> 01:57:57,599
also want to talk about the

2977
01:58:01,669 --> 01:57:59,199
establishment

2978
01:58:03,830 --> 01:58:01,679
of a science plan

2979
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:03,840
all of that and much more right after

2980
01:58:06,100 --> 01:58:05,530
this stay with us

2981
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3035
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when you're in the house for longer

3036
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periods of time you can see them flying

3037
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or running across the floor

3038
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ooh yuck

3039
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they're unhealthy gross and disgusting

3040
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bugs i loathe bugs we keep a clean home

3041
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but occasionally bugs show up well i

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found something that is tougher than

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bugs orange guard on contact it kills

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3056
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3057
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3058
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us what gold does when people aren't

3059
02:01:31,510 --> 02:01:29,040
sure aren't sure about the government

3060
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the stock market their jobs or their

3061
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retirement savings our national debt is

3062
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skyrocketing gold and other precious

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metals are a defense measure against

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inflation and a stock market that might

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800-753-85534 or visit

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you want to know a secret

3079
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i love ponies i really love ponies i'm

3080
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serious

3081
02:02:39,990 --> 02:02:38,639
i couldn't stay sane without pawn mr

3082
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brush

3083
02:02:48,550 --> 02:02:42,080
why fade to black

3084
02:02:54,500 --> 02:02:50,709
this is fade to black with jimmy church

3085
02:03:07,030 --> 02:02:54,510
on the game changer radio network

3086
02:03:08,790 --> 02:03:07,040
[Music]

3087
02:03:11,589 --> 02:03:08,800
welcome back fade to black i'm hosting

3088
02:03:13,589 --> 02:03:11,599
church tonight micah hanks

3089
02:03:15,669 --> 02:03:13,599
so much to discuss and micah thinks he's

3090
02:03:17,830 --> 02:03:15,679
getting off easy

3091
02:03:19,270 --> 02:03:17,840
dude no we're gonna

3092
02:03:21,750 --> 02:03:19,280
we're gonna have to go into overtime

3093
02:03:24,310 --> 02:03:21,760
tonight mike is like what

3094
02:03:26,070 --> 02:03:24,320
but i'm reading micah's notes see i can

3095
02:03:29,030 --> 02:03:26,080
see it on the camera

3096
02:03:29,990 --> 02:03:29,040
and and he doesn't know that and i i can

3097
02:03:31,910 --> 02:03:30,000
see

3098
02:03:33,270 --> 02:03:31,920
were you surprised that i'm reading your

3099
02:03:35,350 --> 02:03:33,280
notes

3100
02:03:37,270 --> 02:03:35,360
were you really under the impression

3101
02:03:38,629 --> 02:03:37,280
that the notes i placed out there on the

3102
02:03:42,310 --> 02:03:38,639
camera so that you could see them were

3103
02:03:43,830 --> 02:03:42,320
the ones i'm actually reading oh man you

3104
02:03:45,430 --> 02:03:43,840
are a spook

3105
02:03:46,950 --> 02:03:45,440
let me ask you a question are the people

3106
02:03:49,189 --> 02:03:46,960
in the chat room i'm not looking right

3107
02:03:51,430 --> 02:03:49,199
now are they asking if i'm a cia

3108
02:03:54,790 --> 02:03:51,440
employee tonight or is it fbi tonight

3109
02:03:56,310 --> 02:03:54,800
yeah yeah yeah it's both it's both

3110
02:03:58,390 --> 02:03:56,320
i mean you've been fighting that battle

3111
02:04:00,550 --> 02:03:58,400
for a long time and now that you're over

3112
02:04:03,750 --> 02:04:00,560
at the debrief man that's uh comes with

3113
02:04:05,430 --> 02:04:03,760
the territory now man and uh yeah hey

3114
02:04:08,069 --> 02:04:05,440
you know you're dropping all of the

3115
02:04:09,669 --> 02:04:08,079
information tonight yeah he's uh he's an

3116
02:04:11,910 --> 02:04:09,679
advisor

3117
02:04:14,390 --> 02:04:11,920
to congress now

3118
02:04:17,189 --> 02:04:14,400
you know if if you can't beat them join

3119
02:04:22,229 --> 02:04:19,669
oh even i just stepped back man the hair

3120
02:04:23,669 --> 02:04:22,239
stood up i was like oh man here we go

3121
02:04:26,310 --> 02:04:23,679
they infiltrated

3122
02:04:29,189 --> 02:04:26,320
fade to black and uh you know what

3123
02:04:31,830 --> 02:04:29,199
though um i've seen your socks

3124
02:04:33,270 --> 02:04:31,840
and uh i just don't think

3125
02:04:34,870 --> 02:04:33,280
your socks

3126
02:04:37,510 --> 02:04:34,880
say spook

3127
02:04:39,189 --> 02:04:37,520
but i i i just think that that is that

3128
02:04:41,189 --> 02:04:39,199
is part of

3129
02:04:42,870 --> 02:04:41,199
uh you go into the agency for an

3130
02:04:45,589 --> 02:04:42,880
interview and they're gonna say let me

3131
02:04:47,910 --> 02:04:45,599
see your socks

3132
02:04:49,990 --> 02:04:47,920
what are you talking about

3133
02:04:51,990 --> 02:04:50,000
you don't know what i'm talking about

3134
02:04:54,390 --> 02:04:52,000
about the socks yeah let me see your

3135
02:04:55,040 --> 02:04:54,400
socks right now what are you wearing

3136
02:04:57,750 --> 02:04:55,050
no

3137
02:04:59,830 --> 02:04:57,760
[Laughter]

3138
02:05:01,270 --> 02:04:59,840
you're denying you can't deny that

3139
02:05:02,629 --> 02:05:01,280
request okay

3140
02:05:03,510 --> 02:05:02,639
let's uh

3141
02:05:06,390 --> 02:05:03,520
okay

3142
02:05:08,310 --> 02:05:06,400
uh two things uh i want to get this into

3143
02:05:13,589 --> 02:05:08,320
uh quickly before we get to the science

3144
02:05:15,589 --> 02:05:13,599
stuff um in the ndaa uh both in the ndaa

3145
02:05:16,390 --> 02:05:15,599
and the gila brand amendment

3146
02:05:18,069 --> 02:05:16,400
uh

3147
02:05:20,470 --> 02:05:18,079
clearly states now this is part of the

3148
02:05:22,550 --> 02:05:20,480
legislation that there will be an

3149
02:05:23,750 --> 02:05:22,560
unclassified public version of the

3150
02:05:26,470 --> 02:05:23,760
report

3151
02:05:28,149 --> 02:05:26,480
semi-annually that's every six months uh

3152
02:05:29,270 --> 02:05:28,159
presented to congress and then released

3153
02:05:33,350 --> 02:05:29,280
to the public

3154
02:05:36,790 --> 02:05:33,360
uh which says that uh we are now on uh

3155
02:05:40,069 --> 02:05:36,800
january 10th so i'm anticipating another

3156
02:05:43,750 --> 02:05:40,079
report uh sometime in the month of june

3157
02:05:46,229 --> 02:05:43,760
and then another one in december

3158
02:05:49,430 --> 02:05:46,239
uh but what do you expect

3159
02:05:51,109 --> 02:05:49,440
that side is it going to be a wash rinse

3160
02:05:53,589 --> 02:05:51,119
repeat version

3161
02:05:55,350 --> 02:05:53,599
of the uap task force report where it's

3162
02:05:56,709 --> 02:05:55,360
not going to say anything

3163
02:05:58,870 --> 02:05:56,719
that's a good question again you know

3164
02:06:01,350 --> 02:05:58,880
what's outlined as you mentioned uh

3165
02:06:03,430 --> 02:06:01,360
annual report to congress i mean an

3166
02:06:04,709 --> 02:06:03,440
annual report but then also semi-annual

3167
02:06:07,189 --> 02:06:04,719
briefings and then we're supposed to get

3168
02:06:09,910 --> 02:06:07,199
these regular reports uh both

3169
02:06:11,750 --> 02:06:09,920
classified and unclassified uh that are

3170
02:06:14,390 --> 02:06:11,760
provided to congress and

3171
02:06:16,790 --> 02:06:14,400
presumably the unclassified versions

3172
02:06:19,030 --> 02:06:16,800
uh made available to the public

3173
02:06:21,430 --> 02:06:19,040
what we saw in june of last year was

3174
02:06:22,950 --> 02:06:21,440
this preliminary assessment

3175
02:06:24,470 --> 02:06:22,960
i think the title says it all you know

3176
02:06:26,390 --> 02:06:24,480
we decided to start collecting

3177
02:06:28,149 --> 02:06:26,400
information on ufos for the first time

3178
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:28,159
since the end of project blue book at

3179
02:06:31,990 --> 02:06:30,560
least as we're publicly admitting

3180
02:06:34,310 --> 02:06:32,000
and um

3181
02:06:35,910 --> 02:06:34,320
and at least as far as being within the

3182
02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:35,920
scope of a

3183
02:06:40,390 --> 02:06:37,840
official investigative body within

3184
02:06:42,229 --> 02:06:40,400
government this the uap task force

3185
02:06:44,709 --> 02:06:42,239
that is actually looking specifically at

3186
02:06:46,790 --> 02:06:44,719
uap again as we know different

3187
02:06:48,870 --> 02:06:46,800
government agencies sometimes happen to

3188
02:06:50,950 --> 02:06:48,880
collect information that may have to do

3189
02:06:53,189 --> 02:06:50,960
with ufos this has been known to

3190
02:06:54,470 --> 02:06:53,199
civilian civilian researchers for years

3191
02:06:56,709 --> 02:06:54,480
because they've been filing foia

3192
02:06:58,950 --> 02:06:56,719
requests to groups like the fbi you know

3193
02:07:00,709 --> 02:06:58,960
to the cia the nsa

3194
02:07:02,149 --> 02:07:00,719
you know geospatial intelligence you

3195
02:07:04,310 --> 02:07:02,159
know go on down the list

3196
02:07:05,830 --> 02:07:04,320
and sure we get you know documents

3197
02:07:07,430 --> 02:07:05,840
revealed from time to time that happen

3198
02:07:09,589 --> 02:07:07,440
to deal with uap

3199
02:07:11,830 --> 02:07:09,599
even if those agencies aren't explicitly

3200
02:07:13,189 --> 02:07:11,840
looking at it so when you got the uap

3201
02:07:14,390 --> 02:07:13,199
task force saying okay well we're going

3202
02:07:15,910 --> 02:07:14,400
to start looking at this so we're going

3203
02:07:17,589 --> 02:07:15,920
to gather information that you guys have

3204
02:07:19,990 --> 02:07:17,599
all collected okay and then we're going

3205
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:20,000
to look at you know unique reports we're

3206
02:07:23,189 --> 02:07:21,360
going to look at what the air force and

3207
02:07:25,270 --> 02:07:23,199
the navy have been collecting using this

3208
02:07:27,990 --> 02:07:25,280
new formalized reporting mechanism that

3209
02:07:29,830 --> 02:07:28,000
we instituted in 1919

3210
02:07:31,030 --> 02:07:29,840
within this two-year period what will we

3211
02:07:32,310 --> 02:07:31,040
find

3212
02:07:35,350 --> 02:07:32,320
and sure enough they come up with about

3213
02:07:37,830 --> 02:07:35,360
144 cases these all dating back as far

3214
02:07:39,750 --> 02:07:37,840
as 2004 but that as we've noted in the

3215
02:07:41,750 --> 02:07:39,760
past you and i and others you know

3216
02:07:43,990 --> 02:07:41,760
pretty explicitly and obviously

3217
02:07:45,189 --> 02:07:44,000
references the nimitz incident i don't

3218
02:07:47,350 --> 02:07:45,199
doubt that there may have been some

3219
02:07:49,910 --> 02:07:47,360
others you know maybe from 2015 right

3220
02:07:51,910 --> 02:07:49,920
the two incidents for which we have seen

3221
02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:51,920
other navy videos write these things off

3222
02:07:54,870 --> 02:07:53,280
the east coast

3223
02:07:55,910 --> 02:07:54,880
and probably some that you or i don't

3224
02:07:56,790 --> 02:07:55,920
know about

3225
02:07:58,870 --> 02:07:56,800
but

3226
02:08:00,470 --> 02:07:58,880
in sum total what we have is 144

3227
02:08:02,069 --> 02:08:00,480
instances of things that can't be

3228
02:08:03,669 --> 02:08:02,079
identified is there more information

3229
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:03,679
about those again the debrief team has

3230
02:08:07,669 --> 02:08:06,159
already revealed and others too again

3231
02:08:09,350 --> 02:08:07,679
you got to give props to george nat

3232
02:08:11,510 --> 02:08:09,360
jeremy corbell and a lot of others who

3233
02:08:13,910 --> 02:08:11,520
have diligently worked to try and get

3234
02:08:15,030 --> 02:08:13,920
access to information about other things

3235
02:08:16,470 --> 02:08:15,040
that government is collecting

3236
02:08:18,550 --> 02:08:16,480
information about

3237
02:08:21,270 --> 02:08:18,560
so obviously there are some things that

3238
02:08:22,950 --> 02:08:21,280
we have not seen in those reports

3239
02:08:25,189 --> 02:08:22,960
so my hope

3240
02:08:27,270 --> 02:08:25,199
back to your question is future reports

3241
02:08:28,629 --> 02:08:27,280
that we will see from the asro or other

3242
02:08:29,750 --> 02:08:28,639
agencies

3243
02:08:31,510 --> 02:08:29,760
i hope it's going to give us more

3244
02:08:32,950 --> 02:08:31,520
details or it's going to give us more

3245
02:08:34,550 --> 02:08:32,960
analytics it's going to give us more

3246
02:08:36,629 --> 02:08:34,560
information about what we have learned

3247
02:08:38,550 --> 02:08:36,639
from the study of these things again

3248
02:08:39,990 --> 02:08:38,560
keeping in mind some of the things we've

3249
02:08:42,790 --> 02:08:40,000
talked about their hopes to try and

3250
02:08:44,390 --> 02:08:42,800
capture or exploit these discovered uap

3251
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:44,400
looking ahead to the science plan and

3252
02:08:47,350 --> 02:08:45,599
we're going to talk more about that in a

3253
02:08:49,910 --> 02:08:47,360
moment but i'll just kind of you know

3254
02:08:53,030 --> 02:08:49,920
tease the fact that a part of what the

3255
02:08:55,030 --> 02:08:53,040
science plan under the asro entails

3256
02:08:56,629 --> 02:08:55,040
involves providing the foundation for

3257
02:08:58,550 --> 02:08:56,639
potential future investments to

3258
02:09:00,709 --> 02:08:58,560
replicate any such advanced

3259
02:09:02,550 --> 02:09:00,719
characteristics and performance again in

3260
02:09:04,310 --> 02:09:02,560
the parlance of

3261
02:09:06,310 --> 02:09:04,320
conventional ufo researchers from the

3262
02:09:07,830 --> 02:09:06,320
last few decades that would be probably

3263
02:09:09,589 --> 02:09:07,840
termed a little differently they might

3264
02:09:10,950 --> 02:09:09,599
say reverse engineer

3265
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:10,960
but that seems to be essentially what

3266
02:09:15,750 --> 02:09:13,280
they're describing right there so again

3267
02:09:17,510 --> 02:09:15,760
i gotta say back to mick west's point if

3268
02:09:19,589 --> 02:09:17,520
he felt like a lot of the verbage that

3269
02:09:21,910 --> 02:09:19,599
we're talking about uni tonight was

3270
02:09:23,430 --> 02:09:21,920
informed by the ufo community i don't

3271
02:09:25,589 --> 02:09:23,440
doubt that it was but that may not be a

3272
02:09:28,229 --> 02:09:25,599
bad thing whether or not the uap that is

3273
02:09:30,950 --> 02:09:28,239
being studied comes from here from there

3274
02:09:32,709 --> 02:09:30,960
from outer space from china from russia

3275
02:09:35,109 --> 02:09:32,719
i think it's applicable to any kind of

3276
02:09:36,310 --> 02:09:35,119
uap that may be studied here

3277
02:10:16,790 --> 02:09:36,320
i

3278
02:10:19,910 --> 02:10:16,800
because when we talk about the

3279
02:10:22,149 --> 02:10:19,920
classified uh version of this report

3280
02:10:25,350 --> 02:10:22,159
that is annually that's once a year the

3281
02:10:26,149 --> 02:10:25,360
unclassified is semi-annually twice a

3282
02:10:28,390 --> 02:10:26,159
year

3283
02:10:30,069 --> 02:10:28,400
when we get to the science side of this

3284
02:10:31,189 --> 02:10:30,079
and the classified version of this

3285
02:10:33,189 --> 02:10:31,199
report

3286
02:10:35,030 --> 02:10:33,199
it says the uap office will be

3287
02:10:36,149 --> 02:10:35,040
responsible this is the gila brand

3288
02:10:39,109 --> 02:10:36,159
amendment

3289
02:10:43,669 --> 02:10:39,119
will be responsible for implementing a

3290
02:10:46,629 --> 02:10:43,679
science plan to test scientific theories

3291
02:10:49,830 --> 02:10:46,639
that's very curious right scientific

3292
02:10:52,709 --> 02:10:49,840
theories related to uap characteristics

3293
02:10:55,510 --> 02:10:52,719
and performances

3294
02:10:58,229 --> 02:10:55,520
very interesting i i

3295
02:11:01,669 --> 02:10:58,239
again i wonder how

3296
02:11:04,950 --> 02:11:01,679
this is put in there um knowing that it

3297
02:11:08,069 --> 02:11:04,960
is established in the ndaa

3298
02:11:11,350 --> 02:11:08,079
because of other information that has

3299
02:11:12,790 --> 02:11:11,360
been gathered already well again so i

3300
02:11:14,149 --> 02:11:12,800
think i understand where you're coming

3301
02:11:15,990 --> 02:11:14,159
from in the sense that you're looking at

3302
02:11:18,709 --> 02:11:16,000
this through the lens of you know what

3303
02:11:20,310 --> 02:11:18,719
has informed this legislation being an

3304
02:11:22,950 --> 02:11:20,320
understanding of information that's

3305
02:11:24,870 --> 02:11:22,960
primarily been collected by government

3306
02:11:27,030 --> 02:11:24,880
i'm looking at it as you know having

3307
02:11:28,470 --> 02:11:27,040
drawn somewhat from civilian ufo

3308
02:11:30,950 --> 02:11:28,480
investigative efforts over the years i

3309
02:11:32,790 --> 02:11:30,960
mean i don't doubt it's at least in part

3310
02:11:34,950 --> 02:11:32,800
a little of both right

3311
02:11:37,030 --> 02:11:34,960
now back to the main point there

3312
02:11:38,550 --> 02:11:37,040
something fascinating that we also can

3313
02:11:40,390 --> 02:11:38,560
discern from this reading between the

3314
02:11:42,470 --> 02:11:40,400
lines is the difference between the way

3315
02:11:43,750 --> 02:11:42,480
that various countries approach this

3316
02:11:47,270 --> 02:11:43,760
problem

3317
02:11:48,870 --> 02:11:47,280
fairly explicitly in the wording of

3318
02:11:50,310 --> 02:11:48,880
the uh again i'm just going to call it

3319
02:11:52,709 --> 02:11:50,320
the gila brand amendment because this is

3320
02:11:54,310 --> 02:11:52,719
where this wording actually originates

3321
02:11:56,390 --> 02:11:54,320
from even if it's now been passed into

3322
02:11:57,189 --> 02:11:56,400
law versions of it or a version of that

3323
02:11:59,990 --> 02:11:57,199
but

3324
02:12:03,350 --> 02:12:00,000
if we go back to uh around 2000 when we

3325
02:12:05,510 --> 02:12:03,360
had the condy report right yes pass or

3326
02:12:07,830 --> 02:12:05,520
that was carried out by the uk

3327
02:12:09,350 --> 02:12:07,840
they said yeah uap exists and they

3328
02:12:11,350 --> 02:12:09,360
essentially conclude that most of them

3329
02:12:12,629 --> 02:12:11,360
are atmospheric plasmas

3330
02:12:14,709 --> 02:12:12,639
what's really interesting about this

3331
02:12:16,310 --> 02:12:14,719
science plan as outlined in the

3332
02:12:17,669 --> 02:12:16,320
gillibrand amendment

3333
02:12:19,750 --> 02:12:17,679
is the fact that they're looking at

3334
02:12:22,390 --> 02:12:19,760
things like again propulsion materials

3335
02:12:23,910 --> 02:12:22,400
countermeasures weapons power generation

3336
02:12:26,229 --> 02:12:23,920
you know how these kinds of things might

3337
02:12:28,790 --> 02:12:26,239
be derived from or discerned from study

3338
02:12:30,149 --> 02:12:28,800
of the phenomena right right now

3339
02:12:31,830 --> 02:12:30,159
plasmas

3340
02:12:33,910 --> 02:12:31,840
last time i checked

3341
02:12:35,910 --> 02:12:33,920
again they don't have material structure

3342
02:12:38,470 --> 02:12:35,920
they don't produce weapons you know they

3343
02:12:40,950 --> 02:12:38,480
may produce a energy source that might

3344
02:12:42,870 --> 02:12:40,960
be used in another application for power

3345
02:12:45,109 --> 02:12:42,880
generation but they are not generating

3346
02:12:48,149 --> 02:12:45,119
power i.e some kind of

3347
02:12:49,510 --> 02:12:48,159
mechanical contrivance that does this in

3348
02:12:51,350 --> 02:12:49,520
other words my interpretation is that

3349
02:12:52,709 --> 02:12:51,360
the americans tend to be looking at this

3350
02:12:54,709 --> 02:12:52,719
problem and saying

3351
02:12:56,790 --> 02:12:54,719
we want to discern indeed if there is a

3352
02:12:59,189 --> 02:12:56,800
technology and this comes back to a real

3353
02:13:01,910 --> 02:12:59,199
question on my mind and it has been for

3354
02:13:03,750 --> 02:13:01,920
a long time most of us you guys like you

3355
02:13:06,149 --> 02:13:03,760
or i jimmy we would look at ufos we

3356
02:13:07,589 --> 02:13:06,159
would read a ufo book and we would say

3357
02:13:09,830 --> 02:13:07,599
listen to these accounts of these

3358
02:13:11,589 --> 02:13:09,840
extraordinary aerial vehicles

3359
02:13:13,510 --> 02:13:11,599
whose are they how do they work you know

3360
02:13:14,709 --> 02:13:13,520
is this anti-gravitational propulsion

3361
02:13:16,950 --> 02:13:14,719
what is this

3362
02:13:18,709 --> 02:13:16,960
is are the electromagnetic spacecraft of

3363
02:13:20,870 --> 02:13:18,719
some kind you know

3364
02:13:23,910 --> 02:13:20,880
so a fundamental question for people who

3365
02:13:26,709 --> 02:13:23,920
are less familiar with uap would be okay

3366
02:13:29,189 --> 02:13:26,719
can these phenomena be studied

3367
02:13:31,510 --> 02:13:29,199
and can it be demonstrated reliably that

3368
02:13:33,910 --> 02:13:31,520
what we are observing is indeed

3369
02:13:35,990 --> 02:13:33,920
technological even if we don't know how

3370
02:13:37,430 --> 02:13:36,000
that technology works

3371
02:13:38,629 --> 02:13:37,440
can we

3372
02:13:40,709 --> 02:13:38,639
observe

3373
02:13:43,189 --> 02:13:40,719
characteristics demonstrated by the

3374
02:13:45,270 --> 02:13:43,199
phenomena that clearly indicate to us

3375
02:13:47,430 --> 02:13:45,280
that it is not some natural phenomena

3376
02:13:49,910 --> 02:13:47,440
that this must be something mechanical

3377
02:13:51,030 --> 02:13:49,920
that this must be a kind of technology

3378
02:13:52,390 --> 02:13:51,040
so

3379
02:13:54,149 --> 02:13:52,400
again reading between the lines that's

3380
02:13:56,470 --> 02:13:54,159
what i'm seeing here they are looking

3381
02:13:59,350 --> 02:13:56,480
for those evidences of unequivocal

3382
02:14:00,870 --> 02:13:59,360
technology and further how we can learn

3383
02:14:03,589 --> 02:14:00,880
from that how we can study it maybe

3384
02:14:05,669 --> 02:14:03,599
replicate it and of course in the best

3385
02:14:08,709 --> 02:14:05,679
case or depending on the circumstance

3386
02:14:10,870 --> 02:14:08,719
maybe worst case scenario maybe capture

3387
02:14:13,270 --> 02:14:10,880
and study that technology but again if

3388
02:14:14,470 --> 02:14:13,280
we're just talking about chinese drones

3389
02:14:16,790 --> 02:14:14,480
i mean it's not going to be very

3390
02:14:18,229 --> 02:14:16,800
problematic if we happen to capture one

3391
02:14:19,910 --> 02:14:18,239
again if we go back in history and we

3392
02:14:21,589 --> 02:14:19,920
look at the capture of the enigma

3393
02:14:23,990 --> 02:14:21,599
machine you know this actually gave the

3394
02:14:25,669 --> 02:14:24,000
allies a tremendous advantage during the

3395
02:14:27,270 --> 02:14:25,679
second world war it allowed us to

3396
02:14:29,350 --> 02:14:27,280
intercept communications coming from

3397
02:14:31,910 --> 02:14:29,360
nazi germany and it gave us a great

3398
02:14:33,830 --> 02:14:31,920
advantage so really in the historical

3399
02:14:34,629 --> 02:14:33,840
context that has been something that has

3400
02:14:37,350 --> 02:14:34,639
been

3401
02:14:39,030 --> 02:14:37,360
very useful in wartime and in the modern

3402
02:14:41,669 --> 02:14:39,040
context i mean i would see that as being

3403
02:14:44,870 --> 02:14:41,679
directly applicable here the problem is

3404
02:14:46,790 --> 02:14:44,880
if the uap that is captured and studied

3405
02:14:48,629 --> 02:14:46,800
doesn't come from china or russia and

3406
02:14:50,950 --> 02:14:48,639
eventually it may be the case that if we

3407
02:14:53,510 --> 02:14:50,960
are successful in capturing it that and

3408
02:14:54,709 --> 02:14:53,520
that alone may help us determine indeed

3409
02:14:56,310 --> 02:14:54,719
whether or not we're dealing with a

3410
02:14:57,270 --> 02:14:56,320
foreign adversary's technology or

3411
02:14:59,589 --> 02:14:57,280
something

3412
02:15:01,589 --> 02:14:59,599
much different much more exotic that

3413
02:15:03,669 --> 02:15:01,599
nobody in government perhaps expected

3414
02:15:05,750 --> 02:15:03,679
although i think a few probably do

3415
02:15:06,629 --> 02:15:05,760
but again the issue i take really jimmy

3416
02:15:08,709 --> 02:15:06,639
is

3417
02:15:11,109 --> 02:15:08,719
so many in the media who continue to

3418
02:15:12,629 --> 02:15:11,119
kind of play down that idea that uh you

3419
02:15:14,470 --> 02:15:12,639
know we aren't looking for little men

3420
02:15:16,709 --> 02:15:14,480
and the government has made clear

3421
02:15:18,310 --> 02:15:16,719
that they're looking for real threats

3422
02:15:19,270 --> 02:15:18,320
threats that emanate from might here on

3423
02:15:21,350 --> 02:15:19,280
earth

3424
02:15:22,950 --> 02:15:21,360
no i'm not so sure that that's the only

3425
02:15:25,350 --> 02:15:22,960
thing they're looking for and again to

3426
02:15:27,030 --> 02:15:25,360
that point allow me to just quote dni

3427
02:15:29,510 --> 02:15:27,040
avril haynes you know during that event

3428
02:15:31,910 --> 02:15:29,520
i got my notes here hang on uh the event

3429
02:15:34,790 --> 02:15:31,920
our future in space from back uh on

3430
02:15:36,629 --> 02:15:34,800
november 10th of last year uh avril

3431
02:15:38,310 --> 02:15:36,639
haynes sat down there at the national

3432
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:38,320
cathedral and she said and i quote we

3433
02:15:41,910 --> 02:15:39,840
don't have a consistent way of reporting

3434
02:15:43,910 --> 02:15:41,920
this information we need to integrate

3435
02:15:45,669 --> 02:15:43,920
frankly a lot of data that we get we

3436
02:15:47,030 --> 02:15:45,679
need to get better at collecting data

3437
02:15:48,709 --> 02:15:47,040
that's useful to us from different

3438
02:15:50,229 --> 02:15:48,719
sensors that are available to us and we

3439
02:15:51,189 --> 02:15:50,239
need to deepen our analysis in these

3440
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:51,199
areas

3441
02:15:54,229 --> 02:15:52,800
she further states the main issues that

3442
02:15:55,910 --> 02:15:54,239
congress and others have been concerned

3443
02:15:58,069 --> 02:15:55,920
about are safety of flight concerns and

3444
02:15:59,990 --> 02:15:58,079
counterintelligence issues she's talking

3445
02:16:02,229 --> 02:16:00,000
about this in direct relevance to uap

3446
02:16:04,550 --> 02:16:02,239
but then finally she says of course

3447
02:16:06,390 --> 02:16:04,560
there's always the question of is there

3448
02:16:07,669 --> 02:16:06,400
something else that we simply do not

3449
02:16:10,310 --> 02:16:07,679
understand

3450
02:16:12,390 --> 02:16:10,320
that might come extraterrestrially

3451
02:16:16,149 --> 02:16:12,400
yeah guys yes yes

3452
02:16:17,030 --> 02:16:16,159
and on that point um uh not only from

3453
02:16:19,589 --> 02:16:17,040
her

3454
02:16:22,229 --> 02:16:19,599
but we've had a couple of ex-directors

3455
02:16:25,270 --> 02:16:22,239
of the cia and uh ex-directors of

3456
02:16:27,750 --> 02:16:25,280
national intelligence in 2021 that both

3457
02:16:29,750 --> 02:16:27,760
clearly stated that we've been tracking

3458
02:16:32,469 --> 02:16:29,760
these objects uh

3459
02:16:35,669 --> 02:16:32,479
approaching earth with our satellites

3460
02:16:36,389 --> 02:16:35,679
and watching them enter our atmosphere

3461
02:16:39,110 --> 02:16:36,399
now

3462
02:16:41,110 --> 02:16:39,120
that that is data collection that

3463
02:16:43,270 --> 02:16:41,120
certainly hasn't been shared i would

3464
02:16:46,629 --> 02:16:43,280
think uh with congress or an

3465
02:16:50,150 --> 02:16:46,639
intelligence committee or uh

3466
02:16:53,110 --> 02:16:50,160
is this just uh the national the nro

3467
02:16:55,750 --> 02:16:53,120
is are these nsa satellites are these

3468
02:16:58,629 --> 02:16:55,760
navy satellites what is collecting this

3469
02:17:01,830 --> 02:16:58,639
information and and who is getting the

3470
02:17:03,830 --> 02:17:01,840
reports once that data is collected

3471
02:17:05,270 --> 02:17:03,840
right well again the point i would make

3472
02:17:07,110 --> 02:17:05,280
and again you've mentioned a couple of

3473
02:17:09,349 --> 02:17:07,120
times you know you like mick west i

3474
02:17:11,110 --> 02:17:09,359
actually like a lot of his analyses too

3475
02:17:13,349 --> 02:17:11,120
i'm not trying to give him a hard time

3476
02:17:15,669 --> 02:17:13,359
when i reference mick's work

3477
02:17:18,549 --> 02:17:15,679
i have i think fewer problems in a lot

3478
02:17:21,190 --> 02:17:18,559
of ways with what mick west says

3479
02:17:23,509 --> 02:17:21,200
than i have with the way that the media

3480
02:17:25,030 --> 02:17:23,519
follows his line of logic

3481
02:17:27,190 --> 02:17:25,040
to the exclusion of all other

3482
02:17:29,270 --> 02:17:27,200
possibilities the point i'm trying to

3483
02:17:31,030 --> 02:17:29,280
bring attention to is when your director

3484
02:17:34,230 --> 02:17:31,040
of national intelligence sits down and

3485
02:17:36,790 --> 02:17:34,240
says look guys in our report okay that

3486
02:17:38,629 --> 02:17:36,800
we delivered back in june there was that

3487
02:17:40,150 --> 02:17:38,639
other category it didn't say

3488
02:17:43,110 --> 02:17:40,160
extraterrestrial

3489
02:17:45,030 --> 02:17:43,120
other was intentionally ambiguous it was

3490
02:17:46,870 --> 02:17:45,040
left open to possibility that there are

3491
02:17:49,830 --> 02:17:46,880
a variety of different things that uap

3492
02:17:52,469 --> 02:17:49,840
might be which we haven't identified yet

3493
02:17:54,309 --> 02:17:52,479
the report didn't say it but the dni did

3494
02:17:57,669 --> 02:17:54,319
she said some of these things might come

3495
02:17:59,349 --> 02:17:57,679
extraterrestrially i don't recall jimmy

3496
02:18:01,270 --> 02:17:59,359
in my lifetime

3497
02:18:03,669 --> 02:18:01,280
an instance where there was a official

3498
02:18:05,830 --> 02:18:03,679
from government that was necessarily in

3499
02:18:08,469 --> 02:18:05,840
a live public forum more explicit than

3500
02:18:09,990 --> 02:18:08,479
she had been on that occasion and for

3501
02:18:11,509 --> 02:18:10,000
those who would continue to say well

3502
02:18:13,270 --> 02:18:11,519
what the government's really looking at

3503
02:18:15,429 --> 02:18:13,280
is just evidence of technologies from

3504
02:18:17,349 --> 02:18:15,439
russia or china you need to go back and

3505
02:18:18,629 --> 02:18:17,359
listen to what dna haines said is that

3506
02:18:21,270 --> 02:18:18,639
proof of the existence of

3507
02:18:22,709 --> 02:18:21,280
extraterrestrials no so any skeptic

3508
02:18:24,950 --> 02:18:22,719
bloggers out there listening to us right

3509
02:18:27,349 --> 02:18:24,960
now don't misconstrue what i say

3510
02:18:30,070 --> 02:18:27,359
right now in your blog post tomorrow

3511
02:18:32,549 --> 02:18:30,080
as me conveying that what i am saying is

3512
02:18:34,870 --> 02:18:32,559
she seems open to that possibility don't

3513
02:18:36,830 --> 02:18:34,880
rewrite the narrative listen to what she

3514
02:18:39,030 --> 02:18:36,840
says not what you want it to

3515
02:18:40,469 --> 02:18:39,040
be more open-minded than a lot of the

3516
02:18:42,469 --> 02:18:40,479
skeptics that's right that's right

3517
02:18:44,309 --> 02:18:42,479
that's right and and bill nelson two

3518
02:18:46,790 --> 02:18:44,319
months ago uh

3519
02:18:49,750 --> 02:18:46,800
uh who runs nasa

3520
02:18:51,669 --> 02:18:49,760
said exactly that and i don't even think

3521
02:18:52,790 --> 02:18:51,679
he pulled any punches i don't think he

3522
02:18:56,629 --> 02:18:52,800
held back

3523
02:18:58,549 --> 02:18:56,639
he was very direct in in his assessment

3524
02:19:01,629 --> 02:18:58,559
and what the mission statement is for

3525
02:19:04,309 --> 02:19:01,639
nasa that there is some uh

3526
02:19:06,389 --> 02:19:04,319
extraterrestrial life out there nasa is

3527
02:19:09,030 --> 02:19:06,399
looking for it and

3528
02:19:11,030 --> 02:19:09,040
and right now the universe is too big to

3529
02:19:13,270 --> 02:19:11,040
say that we're alone and there are

3530
02:19:16,469 --> 02:19:13,280
things going on in this planet right now

3531
02:19:19,270 --> 02:19:16,479
and we are interested in finding out

3532
02:19:21,270 --> 02:19:19,280
what e.t is doing bill nelson didn't

3533
02:19:22,309 --> 02:19:21,280
play around with his words two months

3534
02:19:24,709 --> 02:19:22,319
ago

3535
02:19:26,629 --> 02:19:24,719
no and i am a huge fan of bill nelson

3536
02:19:29,589 --> 02:19:26,639
you know every time he gets up there i

3537
02:19:32,389 --> 02:19:29,599
mean we have never had a nasa director

3538
02:19:34,629 --> 02:19:32,399
uh who is as enthusiastic as he is you

3539
02:19:36,790 --> 02:19:34,639
know he he looks sort of like an alien

3540
02:19:38,469 --> 02:19:36,800
himself i i think if i had to narrow

3541
02:19:40,549 --> 02:19:38,479
down which one it would be the aliens in

3542
02:19:42,549 --> 02:19:40,559
the film depiction of fire in the sky

3543
02:19:43,750 --> 02:19:42,559
the story of travis walton just look up

3544
02:19:45,910 --> 02:19:43,760
pictures online you'll see the

3545
02:19:47,910 --> 02:19:45,920
comparison i'm making but all kidding

3546
02:19:49,429 --> 02:19:47,920
aside i mean bill nelson every time i

3547
02:19:51,110 --> 02:19:49,439
hear the guy talk

3548
02:19:53,830 --> 02:19:51,120
i get excited you know there are

3549
02:19:56,230 --> 02:19:53,840
billions of galaxies out there

3550
02:19:58,870 --> 02:19:56,240
and we are looking for

3551
02:20:00,550 --> 02:19:58,880
in the vastness of the universe the life

3552
02:20:02,630 --> 02:20:00,560
that we know must be there somewhere i

3553
02:20:04,469 --> 02:20:02,640
mean just the way that he talks he you

3554
02:20:06,150 --> 02:20:04,479
can tell he has spent his whole life

3555
02:20:08,389 --> 02:20:06,160
fascinated with this and he still has

3556
02:20:10,870 --> 02:20:08,399
that same energy but

3557
02:20:13,510 --> 02:20:10,880
i think we are extremely uh fortunate to

3558
02:20:16,389 --> 02:20:13,520
have a nasa chief right now

3559
02:20:18,630 --> 02:20:16,399
uh who is in his position while all of

3560
02:20:19,990 --> 02:20:18,640
this is happening outside of nasa and

3561
02:20:22,309 --> 02:20:20,000
other agencies you know with all this

3562
02:20:24,630 --> 02:20:22,319
uap interest because what did we see the

3563
02:20:26,710 --> 02:20:24,640
day that the odni report dropped we saw

3564
02:20:29,110 --> 02:20:26,720
a fact page appear on nasa's website

3565
02:20:30,870 --> 02:20:29,120
about uap yep now if you read that fact

3566
02:20:32,710 --> 02:20:30,880
page of course it said nothing about uap

3567
02:20:34,550 --> 02:20:32,720
until the very end and it further stated

3568
02:20:35,990 --> 02:20:34,560
that nasa doesn't actively look for

3569
02:20:37,910 --> 02:20:36,000
these things but there's data that we

3570
02:20:40,230 --> 02:20:37,920
collect which we make available to the

3571
02:20:41,910 --> 02:20:40,240
public which may also happen to collect

3572
02:20:43,510 --> 02:20:41,920
information on uap

3573
02:20:45,990 --> 02:20:43,520
despite that very

3574
02:20:48,070 --> 02:20:46,000
kind of ambiguous statement about uap i

3575
02:20:49,910 --> 02:20:48,080
mean the fact that there was a fact page

3576
02:20:52,230 --> 02:20:49,920
and further that before that and since

3577
02:20:53,670 --> 02:20:52,240
that back page appeared bill has

3578
02:20:55,349 --> 02:20:53,680
continued to be like look you know our

3579
02:20:57,510 --> 02:20:55,359
agency is looking into this we're very

3580
02:21:00,150 --> 02:20:57,520
open to the possibility he said what he

3581
02:21:02,790 --> 02:21:00,160
said he said part of our mission

3582
02:21:05,270 --> 02:21:02,800
and our mission statement is to search

3583
02:21:06,309 --> 02:21:05,280
for extraterrestrial life that is what

3584
02:21:08,469 --> 02:21:06,319
we do

3585
02:21:10,309 --> 02:21:08,479
that is exactly what he said and let me

3586
02:21:12,469 --> 02:21:10,319
be clear he didn't say part of our

3587
02:21:15,070 --> 02:21:12,479
mission is to look for uap or flying

3588
02:21:18,150 --> 02:21:15,080
saucers he said we are looking for

3589
02:21:21,270 --> 02:21:18,160
extraterrestrials but if indeed as the

3590
02:21:24,389 --> 02:21:21,280
e.t hypothesis proponents have long held

3591
02:21:26,790 --> 02:21:24,399
if indeed that is the reality behind the

3592
02:21:27,670 --> 02:21:26,800
observations of saucers at some point

3593
02:21:29,670 --> 02:21:27,680
we're going to have to come to a

3594
02:21:31,270 --> 02:21:29,680
reckoning where nasa and all these other

3595
02:21:32,950 --> 02:21:31,280
agencies i mean they are looking for

3596
02:21:34,790 --> 02:21:32,960
extraterrestrials

3597
02:21:37,110 --> 02:21:34,800
and indeed we may find evidence of it

3598
02:21:39,750 --> 02:21:37,120
not out there not through telescopes not

3599
02:21:41,750 --> 02:21:39,760
looking for you know the wavering effect

3600
02:21:43,990 --> 02:21:41,760
on a star by the gravitational influence

3601
02:21:46,870 --> 02:21:44,000
of little planets circling it you know

3602
02:21:49,270 --> 02:21:46,880
not based on the radio signals that they

3603
02:21:50,870 --> 02:21:49,280
may send or the teles or the uh the uh

3604
02:21:52,870 --> 02:21:50,880
the actual um

3605
02:21:54,389 --> 02:21:52,880
laser signals or other kinds of optics

3606
02:21:55,750 --> 02:21:54,399
that they use to communicate

3607
02:21:57,750 --> 02:21:55,760
no we may find evidence of those

3608
02:21:59,670 --> 02:21:57,760
extraterrestrials right here and again

3609
02:22:02,469 --> 02:21:59,680
there are some researchers you know ravi

3610
02:22:04,630 --> 02:22:02,479
kaparapu there at nasa jacob misra a few

3611
02:22:07,030 --> 02:22:04,640
others who have begun to broach the

3612
02:22:08,630 --> 02:22:07,040
subject guys let's extend the techno

3613
02:22:10,950 --> 02:22:08,640
signature search but let's not

3614
02:22:12,150 --> 02:22:10,960
necessarily just look out there let's

3615
02:22:15,030 --> 02:22:12,160
start looking for those techno

3616
02:22:17,590 --> 02:22:15,040
signatures in our own atmosphere what if

3617
02:22:18,469 --> 02:22:17,600
the last place we thought to look was

3618
02:22:19,990 --> 02:22:18,479
right here

3619
02:22:21,750 --> 02:22:20,000
for these intelligence what if it was

3620
02:22:22,950 --> 02:22:21,760
right under our nose and that very well

3621
02:22:25,670 --> 02:22:22,960
may be the case

3622
02:22:28,389 --> 02:22:25,680
now uh

3623
02:22:29,910 --> 02:22:28,399
another point in in the gillibrand uh

3624
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:29,920
legislation

3625
02:22:37,510 --> 02:22:33,280
is is this probably uh some of the most

3626
02:22:40,550 --> 02:22:37,520
dramatic uh parts of her legislation

3627
02:22:43,510 --> 02:22:40,560
evaluate any links between uaps and

3628
02:22:45,750 --> 02:22:43,520
foreign governments or non-state actors

3629
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:45,760
the uapa office will be tasked with

3630
02:22:51,190 --> 02:22:49,600
evaluating threats that ufps may pose to

3631
02:22:52,710 --> 02:22:51,200
the united states additionally the

3632
02:22:54,469 --> 02:22:52,720
office will be responsible for

3633
02:22:56,950 --> 02:22:54,479
coordinating with federal agencies

3634
02:23:01,270 --> 02:22:56,960
including the faa and

3635
02:23:02,389 --> 02:23:01,280
nasa and international alloy allies

3636
02:23:06,309 --> 02:23:02,399
alloys

3637
02:23:08,070 --> 02:23:06,319
allies and partners on uaps

3638
02:23:10,790 --> 02:23:08,080
um now

3639
02:23:13,270 --> 02:23:10,800
when uh i i specifically think of you

3640
02:23:14,950 --> 02:23:13,280
know australia the united kingdom canada

3641
02:23:17,670 --> 02:23:14,960
spain france

3642
02:23:18,389 --> 02:23:17,680
italy right uh you know our partners out

3643
02:23:21,990 --> 02:23:18,399
there

3644
02:23:23,270 --> 02:23:22,000
um but the non-state actors uh part of

3645
02:23:26,070 --> 02:23:23,280
this

3646
02:23:29,030 --> 02:23:26,080
is interesting

3647
02:23:30,230 --> 02:23:29,040
a non-state actor

3648
02:23:36,630 --> 02:23:30,240
is that

3649
02:23:38,630 --> 02:23:36,640
are are countries

3650
02:23:41,990 --> 02:23:38,640
okay there's 200 countries here on

3651
02:23:45,270 --> 02:23:42,000
planet earth a non-state actor

3652
02:23:48,550 --> 02:23:45,280
is that a terrorist organization or is

3653
02:23:50,950 --> 02:23:48,560
that something that is off planet

3654
02:23:52,469 --> 02:23:50,960
so again i think that part of the beauty

3655
02:23:53,510 --> 02:23:52,479
of the wording

3656
02:23:55,349 --> 02:23:53,520
of

3657
02:23:58,950 --> 02:23:55,359
this legislation

3658
02:24:00,630 --> 02:23:58,960
uh is in some ways its ambiguity

3659
02:24:02,150 --> 02:24:00,640
i've talked about that point with a lot

3660
02:24:04,150 --> 02:24:02,160
of different people and they always

3661
02:24:06,389 --> 02:24:04,160
almost say the same they all give me a

3662
02:24:08,230 --> 02:24:06,399
different response but the same way

3663
02:24:09,750 --> 02:24:08,240
well i just interpreted that to mean

3664
02:24:11,750 --> 02:24:09,760
fill in the blank

3665
02:24:13,190 --> 02:24:11,760
one interpretation might be for instance

3666
02:24:15,270 --> 02:24:13,200
like you mentioned okay what if it's a

3667
02:24:17,110 --> 02:24:15,280
terrorist group right

3668
02:24:19,990 --> 02:24:17,120
what if this is like richard dolan's

3669
02:24:21,990 --> 02:24:20,000
concept of a breakaway civilization

3670
02:24:23,510 --> 02:24:22,000
right a non-state organization with

3671
02:24:25,190 --> 02:24:23,520
incredible funding mechanisms and

3672
02:24:26,230 --> 02:24:25,200
resources and they are creating these

3673
02:24:29,670 --> 02:24:26,240
things

3674
02:24:30,630 --> 02:24:29,680
could a non-state actor also be

3675
02:24:53,110 --> 02:24:30,640
a

3676
02:24:54,550 --> 02:24:53,120
do work outside of government

3677
02:24:56,790 --> 02:24:54,560
right so that the information is kept

3678
02:24:58,230 --> 02:24:56,800
off the books but that is what the uap

3679
02:24:59,429 --> 02:24:58,240
represent that also could be a

3680
02:25:00,950 --> 02:24:59,439
conclusion

3681
02:25:02,309 --> 02:25:00,960
and the fact that we could actually run

3682
02:25:04,469 --> 02:25:02,319
down the list like this and say these

3683
02:25:06,710 --> 02:25:04,479
are all things that that might mean

3684
02:25:08,389 --> 02:25:06,720
indicate to me that that was the reason

3685
02:25:11,030 --> 02:25:08,399
that that wording was used instead of

3686
02:25:12,870 --> 02:25:11,040
black budgets extraterrestrial visitors

3687
02:25:14,870 --> 02:25:12,880
right breakaway civilizations they don't

3688
02:25:16,870 --> 02:25:14,880
put that in the amendment because they

3689
02:25:20,389 --> 02:25:16,880
intentionally want to say

3690
02:25:21,990 --> 02:25:20,399
you know we want to present a statement

3691
02:25:23,510 --> 02:25:22,000
on all the things we could potentially

3692
02:25:24,389 --> 02:25:23,520
be looking for without being too

3693
02:25:26,550 --> 02:25:24,399
specific

3694
02:25:28,230 --> 02:25:26,560
because a we don't want to and you know

3695
02:25:30,309 --> 02:25:28,240
infuriate the skeptics by saying

3696
02:25:32,950 --> 02:25:30,319
extraterrestrials we don't want to

3697
02:25:34,790 --> 02:25:32,960
enliven all the discussion unnecessarily

3698
02:25:36,150 --> 02:25:34,800
if we mention something that conspiracy

3699
02:25:37,990 --> 02:25:36,160
theorists are going to gravitate toward

3700
02:25:39,429 --> 02:25:38,000
you can see what i'm saying so again i

3701
02:25:41,830 --> 02:25:39,439
think all of the above and none of the

3702
02:25:43,270 --> 02:25:41,840
above the ambiguity is probably

3703
02:25:45,510 --> 02:25:43,280
intentional

3704
02:25:47,270 --> 02:25:45,520
well uh we're gonna head towards a break

3705
02:25:48,790 --> 02:25:47,280
and we'll come back and and and get

3706
02:25:52,950 --> 02:25:48,800
straight into overtime

3707
02:25:55,590 --> 02:25:52,960
um there was that moment uh

3708
02:25:58,230 --> 02:25:55,600
when marco rubio was stopped i think was

3709
02:26:00,710 --> 02:25:58,240
by tmz or something in an airport

3710
02:26:02,070 --> 02:26:00,720
and was directly asked about and

3711
02:26:04,150 --> 02:26:02,080
confronted

3712
02:26:07,750 --> 02:26:04,160
with you know the little green men

3713
02:26:08,630 --> 02:26:07,760
question and and and and marco to his

3714
02:26:10,230 --> 02:26:08,640
credit

3715
02:26:13,349 --> 02:26:10,240
said i'm not talking about little green

3716
02:26:15,590 --> 02:26:13,359
men here i'm paraphrasing but i am

3717
02:26:19,190 --> 02:26:15,600
i'm not talking about but i am talking

3718
02:26:20,790 --> 02:26:19,200
about e.t that we need to focus on

3719
02:26:23,030 --> 02:26:20,800
there may be

3720
02:26:24,950 --> 02:26:23,040
uh extraterrestrials

3721
02:26:26,790 --> 02:26:24,960
visiting this planet

3722
02:26:28,870 --> 02:26:26,800
and i found that very interesting i

3723
02:26:31,510 --> 02:26:28,880
don't think that marco is like you're

3724
02:26:33,750 --> 02:26:31,520
saying he's not being ambiguous here

3725
02:26:34,790 --> 02:26:33,760
i think he's okay with being fairly

3726
02:26:37,349 --> 02:26:34,800
direct

3727
02:26:39,910 --> 02:26:37,359
look i think that to senator rubio's

3728
02:26:42,469 --> 02:26:39,920
credit uh and again him having actually

3729
02:26:44,550 --> 02:26:42,479
been involved in you know associating

3730
02:26:46,070 --> 02:26:44,560
his name and his you know positioning

3731
02:26:48,070 --> 02:26:46,080
government with this topic a little

3732
02:26:48,950 --> 02:26:48,080
longer even than senator gillibrand and

3733
02:26:51,429 --> 02:26:48,960
others

3734
02:26:53,190 --> 02:26:51,439
to his and to her credit and to all of

3735
02:26:55,349 --> 02:26:53,200
the others who have helped to make sure

3736
02:26:57,349 --> 02:26:55,359
that this legislation has passed i think

3737
02:26:59,670 --> 02:26:57,359
they're all being very sensible

3738
02:27:00,790 --> 02:26:59,680
very logical they're being open-minded

3739
02:27:03,830 --> 02:27:00,800
enough

3740
02:27:05,750 --> 02:27:03,840
i think frankly in the perfect amount by

3741
02:27:07,190 --> 02:27:05,760
enough i mean they are looking at all

3742
02:27:09,190 --> 02:27:07,200
possibilities without committing

3743
02:27:11,270 --> 02:27:09,200
themselves to any they're not being

3744
02:27:13,110 --> 02:27:11,280
partisan at least in terms of american

3745
02:27:15,590 --> 02:27:13,120
political parties they're not being

3746
02:27:17,110 --> 02:27:15,600
partisan on this issue they all seem to

3747
02:27:20,150 --> 02:27:17,120
be saying look there appear to be

3748
02:27:22,469 --> 02:27:20,160
incursions into our controlled airspace

3749
02:27:24,630 --> 02:27:22,479
that involve technologies that we cannot

3750
02:27:26,150 --> 02:27:24,640
identify and by that that does not

3751
02:27:27,990 --> 02:27:26,160
necessarily mean that they may not be

3752
02:27:30,309 --> 02:27:28,000
conventional technologies in some cases

3753
02:27:31,510 --> 02:27:30,319
but they don't know who is operating it

3754
02:27:33,190 --> 02:27:31,520
we want to know who's doing this are

3755
02:27:34,389 --> 02:27:33,200
they surveilling us you know what are

3756
02:27:36,469 --> 02:27:34,399
they doing

3757
02:27:38,790 --> 02:27:36,479
this is important this is a challenge to

3758
02:27:40,630 --> 02:27:38,800
national security it needs to be looked

3759
02:27:41,670 --> 02:27:40,640
at and that's in my opinion what they're

3760
02:27:44,309 --> 02:27:41,680
doing and i think they're doing a good

3761
02:27:46,230 --> 02:27:44,319
job thus far that's i commend them for

3762
02:27:48,309 --> 02:27:46,240
taking the initiative on this i really

3763
02:27:49,990 --> 02:27:48,319
do let's take our break right here we'll

3764
02:27:51,190 --> 02:27:50,000
come back and get straight to overtime

3765
02:27:53,750 --> 02:27:51,200
micah

3766
02:27:55,590 --> 02:27:53,760
is not going anywhere

3767
02:27:58,710 --> 02:27:55,600
you don't have anything to do tomorrow

3768
02:28:00,550 --> 02:27:58,720
you don't tim mcmillan can wait yeah

3769
02:28:02,230 --> 02:28:00,560
yeah oh you agree

3770
02:28:04,469 --> 02:28:02,240
yeah he has to stick around now it's too

3771
02:28:06,230 --> 02:28:04,479
late it's too late we're we're in too

3772
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deep buddy

3773
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3869
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3870
02:33:23,120 --> 02:33:19,359
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3871
02:33:37,190 --> 02:33:33,360
[Music]

3872
02:33:38,630 --> 02:33:37,200
welcome back fade to black i am your

3873
02:33:40,150 --> 02:33:38,640
host jimmy church tonight micah hanks

3874
02:33:42,710 --> 02:33:40,160
we're going straight into overtime

3875
02:33:44,309 --> 02:33:42,720
tomorrow night emily harrison is with us

3876
02:33:46,469 --> 02:33:44,319
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3877
02:33:49,150 --> 02:33:46,479
wednesday night serena wright taylor and

3878
02:33:52,870 --> 02:33:49,160
susan slaughter are here to discuss the

3879
02:33:54,469 --> 02:33:52,880
2022 conscious life expo thursday night

3880
02:33:55,830 --> 02:33:54,479
is another fader night with open lines

3881
02:33:58,790 --> 02:33:55,840
all night long now we're going straight

3882
02:34:00,469 --> 02:33:58,800
into overtime and this is where uh

3883
02:34:03,510 --> 02:34:00,479
loosen things up a little bit and i'm

3884
02:34:05,830 --> 02:34:03,520
gonna blindside micah hanks with a bunch

3885
02:34:07,750 --> 02:34:05,840
of stuff and get him uncomfortable uh

3886
02:34:09,670 --> 02:34:07,760
first thing up micah

3887
02:34:13,990 --> 02:34:09,680
what happened

3888
02:34:16,389 --> 02:34:14,000
to that flying triangle uh egressing

3889
02:34:18,710 --> 02:34:16,399
from the ocean photograph that everybody

3890
02:34:20,790 --> 02:34:18,720
was up in arms about last year

3891
02:34:22,309 --> 02:34:20,800
yeah interesting isn't it that we heard

3892
02:34:23,590 --> 02:34:22,319
so much about that and then it seems to

3893
02:34:26,550 --> 02:34:23,600
have gone the way of the dinosaurs

3894
02:34:29,030 --> 02:34:26,560
before anybody ever even saw it right so

3895
02:34:30,950 --> 02:34:29,040
i'd really like to still see that image

3896
02:34:33,030 --> 02:34:30,960
i think a lot of us would

3897
02:34:35,510 --> 02:34:33,040
i've seen some very interesting images

3898
02:34:37,270 --> 02:34:35,520
of uap over the years in fact sadly i've

3899
02:34:38,870 --> 02:34:37,280
had some that have been i say sadly

3900
02:34:40,309 --> 02:34:38,880
because you know presumably they

3901
02:34:41,590 --> 02:34:40,319
couldn't necessarily be sure but i've

3902
02:34:44,870 --> 02:34:41,600
had people

3903
02:34:47,590 --> 02:34:44,880
uh you know share stories share

3904
02:34:49,590 --> 02:34:47,600
images you know show me things that i

3905
02:34:51,830 --> 02:34:49,600
would say very politely

3906
02:34:53,510 --> 02:34:51,840
uh could i get a copy of that

3907
02:34:56,070 --> 02:34:53,520
and then thereafter i'm not i'm not

3908
02:34:57,750 --> 02:34:56,080
actually uh presented with one

3909
02:35:00,309 --> 02:34:57,760
that's the frustrating side to all this

3910
02:35:02,070 --> 02:35:00,319
that there appear to be

3911
02:35:03,910 --> 02:35:02,080
you know photographs

3912
02:35:06,550 --> 02:35:03,920
that represent uap and some of them are

3913
02:35:08,230 --> 02:35:06,560
pretty good but you know getting those

3914
02:35:09,830 --> 02:35:08,240
into the public record can be very

3915
02:35:11,429 --> 02:35:09,840
difficult at times

3916
02:35:13,110 --> 02:35:11,439
and uh you know i'll say i haven't seen

3917
02:35:14,469 --> 02:35:13,120
anything that over the years to me was

3918
02:35:16,230 --> 02:35:14,479
like whoa okay

3919
02:35:18,550 --> 02:35:16,240
this is proof but i've seen some very

3920
02:35:20,309 --> 02:35:18,560
compelling photographs and uh

3921
02:35:22,389 --> 02:35:20,319
one that was actually sent to me a

3922
02:35:23,429 --> 02:35:22,399
number of years ago

3923
02:35:25,830 --> 02:35:23,439
actually

3924
02:35:28,389 --> 02:35:25,840
purportedly coincided with the sightings

3925
02:35:30,630 --> 02:35:28,399
of uap over stephenville texas about a

3926
02:35:32,950 --> 02:35:30,640
decade ago you remember that of course

3927
02:35:35,190 --> 02:35:32,960
more than a decade ago actually yeah

3928
02:35:36,950 --> 02:35:35,200
but uh and the photograph had

3929
02:35:40,070 --> 02:35:36,960
purportedly been taken by a police

3930
02:35:41,110 --> 02:35:40,080
officer you can see a kind of triangular

3931
02:35:42,469 --> 02:35:41,120
shape

3932
02:35:44,550 --> 02:35:42,479
and even more interesting than the

3933
02:35:46,710 --> 02:35:44,560
triangular shape outlined by green

3934
02:35:48,950 --> 02:35:46,720
lights you can see these two you know

3935
02:35:51,190 --> 02:35:48,960
amorphous nondescript kind of little

3936
02:35:52,950 --> 02:35:51,200
yellowish lights

3937
02:35:54,309 --> 02:35:52,960
but what the officer said these

3938
02:35:56,230 --> 02:35:54,319
represented was that there were these

3939
02:35:58,070 --> 02:35:56,240
two globes of light that were moving

3940
02:35:59,990 --> 02:35:58,080
independently this had been what

3941
02:36:01,670 --> 02:36:00,000
initially attracted he and his partner's

3942
02:36:03,510 --> 02:36:01,680
attention as they cut off the main road

3943
02:36:05,270 --> 02:36:03,520
and drove out into this field

3944
02:36:06,870 --> 02:36:05,280
while on duty to actually investigate

3945
02:36:08,710 --> 02:36:06,880
these and he actually said in the

3946
02:36:11,349 --> 02:36:08,720
account that he gave there was actually

3947
02:36:13,110 --> 02:36:11,359
a dash cam on that police officer's you

3948
02:36:14,469 --> 02:36:13,120
know car and he said we actually had

3949
02:36:15,910 --> 02:36:14,479
footage of these

3950
02:36:17,590 --> 02:36:15,920
lights out there

3951
02:36:18,630 --> 02:36:17,600
as we got out there toward the field we

3952
02:36:20,790 --> 02:36:18,640
were trying to see what these lights

3953
02:36:22,389 --> 02:36:20,800
were and they start to ascend

3954
02:36:25,030 --> 02:36:22,399
and they move upward in the sky toward

3955
02:36:26,630 --> 02:36:25,040
this craft and he has a film camera in

3956
02:36:28,150 --> 02:36:26,640
the car with him right this is standard

3957
02:36:29,590 --> 02:36:28,160
procedure that they keep one of these

3958
02:36:30,950 --> 02:36:29,600
and he gets out of the car and he snaps

3959
02:36:32,790 --> 02:36:30,960
a couple of photographs and only one

3960
02:36:34,790 --> 02:36:32,800
comes out but you can see

3961
02:36:37,190 --> 02:36:34,800
this triangle and then these two orbs

3962
02:36:38,710 --> 02:36:37,200
ascending toward it now

3963
02:36:40,710 --> 02:36:38,720
i went to a friend and i said look you

3964
02:36:42,389 --> 02:36:40,720
know that story that was told that was

3965
02:36:44,150 --> 02:36:42,399
sent along to you is there any way that

3966
02:36:45,990 --> 02:36:44,160
we can establish the providence of that

3967
02:36:47,429 --> 02:36:46,000
do you know that officer

3968
02:36:48,630 --> 02:36:47,439
do you have any contact with that

3969
02:36:50,950 --> 02:36:48,640
individual

3970
02:36:53,429 --> 02:36:50,960
unfortunately the yes as you can imagine

3971
02:36:55,030 --> 02:36:53,439
the connections you know run dry and

3972
02:36:57,190 --> 02:36:55,040
it's impossible to find out so i

3973
02:36:58,630 --> 02:36:57,200
actually contacted in the event that

3974
02:37:00,309 --> 02:36:58,640
this might have been involved with the

3975
02:37:02,630 --> 02:37:00,319
stephenville police department i

3976
02:37:04,950 --> 02:37:02,640
contacted this their police department

3977
02:37:06,710 --> 02:37:04,960
and i said look you know i respectfully

3978
02:37:08,389 --> 02:37:06,720
request this was a public records act

3979
02:37:10,309 --> 02:37:08,399
request not freedom of information but

3980
02:37:12,309 --> 02:37:10,319
it's essentially the in this in the

3981
02:37:13,670 --> 02:37:12,319
spirit of the same idea and each

3982
02:37:16,469 --> 02:37:13,680
individual state has their own public

3983
02:37:18,469 --> 02:37:16,479
records act and so i under the public

3984
02:37:19,510 --> 02:37:18,479
records act for st for the state of

3985
02:37:22,389 --> 02:37:19,520
texas

3986
02:37:25,270 --> 02:37:22,399
requested any documentation photographs

3987
02:37:27,270 --> 02:37:25,280
dash cam videos recordings etc that they

3988
02:37:28,790 --> 02:37:27,280
had related to uap

3989
02:37:31,030 --> 02:37:28,800
they didn't even deny the request they

3990
02:37:32,630 --> 02:37:31,040
just didn't respond uh maybe i'll try

3991
02:37:34,550 --> 02:37:32,640
them again at some point but you know

3992
02:37:36,469 --> 02:37:34,560
unfortunately more often than not you

3993
02:37:38,469 --> 02:37:36,479
will hit dead ends like this i do hope

3994
02:37:40,950 --> 02:37:38,479
though at some point the photo you're

3995
02:37:43,110 --> 02:37:40,960
referencing which as it was described to

3996
02:37:45,270 --> 02:37:43,120
me i don't know of anyone who's seen it

3997
02:37:46,950 --> 02:37:45,280
i know researchers who have spoken with

3998
02:37:49,190 --> 02:37:46,960
people who say that they have seen it

3999
02:37:51,190 --> 02:37:49,200
but the photo you're describing is

4000
02:37:52,950 --> 02:37:51,200
a triangular shaped object reportedly

4001
02:37:55,510 --> 02:37:52,960
emerging out of the ocean photographed

4002
02:37:57,190 --> 02:37:55,520
by you know maybe like an fa-18 fighter

4003
02:37:59,030 --> 02:37:57,200
uh you know fighter pilot

4004
02:38:01,190 --> 02:37:59,040
who with their smartphone snaps an image

4005
02:38:03,190 --> 02:38:01,200
of this this object and let me be clear

4006
02:38:06,469 --> 02:38:03,200
there was a photograph that appeared i

4007
02:38:08,309 --> 02:38:06,479
think in like march of 2019 online and

4008
02:38:10,309 --> 02:38:08,319
which the debrief reported right after

4009
02:38:12,309 --> 02:38:10,319
we launched which is now famously

4010
02:38:13,670 --> 02:38:12,319
referred to as the acorn

4011
02:38:15,349 --> 02:38:13,680
and some people have said oh that's the

4012
02:38:17,270 --> 02:38:15,359
triangle it's not

4013
02:38:19,270 --> 02:38:17,280
my understanding is that that is not the

4014
02:38:21,030 --> 02:38:19,280
same thing as the dis the object

4015
02:38:22,790 --> 02:38:21,040
described in this other photo that to my

4016
02:38:25,030 --> 02:38:22,800
knowledge has not been released which

4017
02:38:26,630 --> 02:38:25,040
purportedly shows a triangular object

4018
02:38:28,550 --> 02:38:26,640
emerging from the ocean with three

4019
02:38:31,590 --> 02:38:28,560
points of light at this corner didn't

4020
02:38:33,110 --> 02:38:31,600
tim mcmillan say that he saw

4021
02:38:34,790 --> 02:38:33,120
this triangle

4022
02:38:36,710 --> 02:38:34,800
i don't recall

4023
02:38:40,830 --> 02:38:36,720
i recall asking him if he saw it and he

4024
02:38:43,910 --> 02:38:40,840
told me he did not uh and to my

4025
02:38:45,990 --> 02:38:43,920
knowledge i don't know anyone personally

4026
02:38:47,990 --> 02:38:46,000
who has told me they have seen it

4027
02:38:49,750 --> 02:38:48,000
i have spoken to people who say that

4028
02:38:51,290 --> 02:38:49,760
they have spoken to people who say they

4029
02:38:55,270 --> 02:38:51,300
saw it right since

4030
02:39:00,230 --> 02:38:57,270
it is just funny to me

4031
02:39:02,790 --> 02:39:00,240
that that uh image

4032
02:39:05,030 --> 02:39:02,800
and the rumors about it that it had made

4033
02:39:07,110 --> 02:39:05,040
the rounds with the intelligence

4034
02:39:09,590 --> 02:39:07,120
agencies that's the story

4035
02:39:10,710 --> 02:39:09,600
right that everybody had seen it

4036
02:39:15,910 --> 02:39:10,720
and

4037
02:39:18,790 --> 02:39:15,920
something was going to get leaked it was

4038
02:39:21,990 --> 02:39:18,800
going to be this image and uh there i've

4039
02:39:24,230 --> 02:39:22,000
spoken to mutual friends of of ours

4040
02:39:25,030 --> 02:39:24,240
that say that they have seen it or they

4041
02:39:26,870 --> 02:39:25,040
have

4042
02:39:29,670 --> 02:39:26,880
uh spoken to somebody that saw it and

4043
02:39:33,030 --> 02:39:29,680
the image was described to them

4044
02:39:36,150 --> 02:39:33,040
uh in great detail but it's just

4045
02:39:39,030 --> 02:39:36,160
disappeared the story has disappeared

4046
02:39:42,630 --> 02:39:39,040
and i find that interesting now next

4047
02:39:46,150 --> 02:39:42,640
i have uh speaking of your book

4048
02:39:49,030 --> 02:39:46,160
uh the ufo singularity i have this

4049
02:39:52,870 --> 02:39:49,040
uh jimmy in micah hank's 2013 book the

4050
02:39:56,150 --> 02:39:52,880
ufo singularity he notes

4051
02:39:57,030 --> 02:39:56,160
micah hanks notes

4052
02:39:58,790 --> 02:39:57,040
that

4053
02:40:01,429 --> 02:39:58,800
are you ready

4054
02:40:03,389 --> 02:40:01,439
that the new york times predictions of

4055
02:40:06,630 --> 02:40:03,399
the future that

4056
02:40:09,750 --> 02:40:06,640
2022 will be

4057
02:40:12,230 --> 02:40:09,760
learned that ufos represent tourists

4058
02:40:14,070 --> 02:40:12,240
from earth's future

4059
02:40:17,030 --> 02:40:14,080
did you did you predict that in your

4060
02:40:18,389 --> 02:40:17,040
book in 2013 that 2022 was going to be

4061
02:40:20,790 --> 02:40:18,399
the year

4062
02:40:22,309 --> 02:40:20,800
i didn't predict that no again uh if

4063
02:40:24,469 --> 02:40:22,319
memory serves i don't have my book in

4064
02:40:25,670 --> 02:40:24,479
front of me but that was a timeline that

4065
02:40:28,230 --> 02:40:25,680
was a

4066
02:40:30,469 --> 02:40:28,240
uh you know like a series of

4067
02:40:32,309 --> 02:40:30,479
predictions made by i think new york

4068
02:40:35,670 --> 02:40:32,319
times readers

4069
02:40:38,230 --> 02:40:35,680
that they sent in to the new york times

4070
02:40:40,469 --> 02:40:38,240
uh and so they published this series of

4071
02:40:41,750 --> 02:40:40,479
you know our readers predictions right

4072
02:40:43,750 --> 02:40:41,760
and some of them were really interesting

4073
02:40:45,429 --> 02:40:43,760
and so near the beginning of the book i

4074
02:40:47,429 --> 02:40:45,439
feature this timeline

4075
02:40:48,870 --> 02:40:47,439
along with those reader predictions that

4076
02:40:51,190 --> 02:40:48,880
have been sent in but again that's an

4077
02:40:53,670 --> 02:40:51,200
interesting one for 2022 isn't it yeah

4078
02:40:55,750 --> 02:40:53,680
yeah yeah so

4079
02:40:59,990 --> 02:40:55,760
what do you what do you think

4080
02:41:02,550 --> 02:41:00,000
do you think 2022 is is the year

4081
02:41:03,830 --> 02:41:02,560
well 2021 again

4082
02:41:05,349 --> 02:41:03,840
and i thought it was funny that you

4083
02:41:07,030 --> 02:41:05,359
invited me on tonight and you said we're

4084
02:41:08,950 --> 02:41:07,040
going to be talking about everything uap

4085
02:41:10,389 --> 02:41:08,960
in 2022 and i'm like uh he really must

4086
02:41:12,630 --> 02:41:10,399
think i'm a time traveler you know i

4087
02:41:15,110 --> 02:41:12,640
mean we're like what a weekend here yes

4088
02:41:17,269 --> 02:41:15,120
yes yes yes you know

4089
02:41:18,790 --> 02:41:17,279
but i would say this

4090
02:41:20,630 --> 02:41:18,800
looking at 2021 with all the

4091
02:41:23,190 --> 02:41:20,640
developments that we saw

4092
02:41:25,110 --> 02:41:23,200
uh a lot of people have said

4093
02:41:26,870 --> 02:41:25,120
at this point things are probably gonna

4094
02:41:28,550 --> 02:41:26,880
you know calm down for a while and i

4095
02:41:30,469 --> 02:41:28,560
wouldn't be surprised if that weren't

4096
02:41:33,190 --> 02:41:30,479
the case i did a uh

4097
02:41:34,870 --> 02:41:33,200
a edition of the weekly newsletter

4098
02:41:36,469 --> 02:41:34,880
uh for the debrief the intelligence

4099
02:41:38,950 --> 02:41:36,479
brief a while back where i talked about

4100
02:41:40,950 --> 02:41:38,960
this sort of cycle of ufo interest

4101
02:41:42,550 --> 02:41:40,960
over time and you see this

4102
02:41:44,309 --> 02:41:42,560
you know there will be a peak of

4103
02:41:47,110 --> 02:41:44,319
sightings one year for instance where

4104
02:41:49,030 --> 02:41:47,120
this began to happen was 1966.

4105
02:41:51,269 --> 02:41:49,040
we saw a tremendous number of sightings

4106
02:41:53,750 --> 02:41:51,279
especially over states like michigan

4107
02:41:55,429 --> 02:41:53,760
uh john heineck famously put his foot in

4108
02:41:57,429 --> 02:41:55,439
his mouth and he said you know it's not

4109
02:41:59,349 --> 02:41:57,439
impossible that these sightings over a

4110
02:42:00,870 --> 02:41:59,359
marsh area might have actually been

4111
02:42:02,630 --> 02:42:00,880
swamp gas

4112
02:42:04,309 --> 02:42:02,640
he happened to offend a guy who would

4113
02:42:06,150 --> 02:42:04,319
later become the president of the united

4114
02:42:08,389 --> 02:42:06,160
states gerald ford

4115
02:42:10,550 --> 02:42:08,399
and then there were actual congressional

4116
02:42:12,630 --> 02:42:10,560
inquiries into it some were calling for

4117
02:42:15,030 --> 02:42:12,640
congressional hearings

4118
02:42:17,910 --> 02:42:15,040
ultimately what that led to was a surge

4119
02:42:18,950 --> 02:42:17,920
in interest that resulted in the u.s air

4120
02:42:21,110 --> 02:42:18,960
force

4121
02:42:22,710 --> 02:42:21,120
awarding a contract to the university of

4122
02:42:24,710 --> 02:42:22,720
colorado to try and get to the bottom of

4123
02:42:26,870 --> 02:42:24,720
the uap issue we saw where that got us

4124
02:42:27,910 --> 02:42:26,880
that was the infamous condon committee

4125
02:42:31,190 --> 02:42:27,920
report

4126
02:42:32,790 --> 02:42:31,200
but my point is is that after 1966

4127
02:42:35,269 --> 02:42:32,800
and all that interest and then of course

4128
02:42:37,030 --> 02:42:35,279
the kind of you know straw breaking the

4129
02:42:39,110 --> 02:42:37,040
camels back with the issuance of the

4130
02:42:41,190 --> 02:42:39,120
condon committee's report in 1968 and

4131
02:42:42,950 --> 02:42:41,200
saying nothing to see here science isn't

4132
02:42:44,630 --> 02:42:42,960
being advanced by the study of uap and

4133
02:42:46,710 --> 02:42:44,640
government would do well not to be in

4134
02:42:47,830 --> 02:42:46,720
this business get out get out while you

4135
02:42:49,910 --> 02:42:47,840
still can

4136
02:42:51,590 --> 02:42:49,920
well the interest dies off for a few

4137
02:42:53,830 --> 02:42:51,600
years but then we have this sightings

4138
02:42:55,349 --> 02:42:53,840
wave in 1973 and all of a sudden

4139
02:42:57,030 --> 02:42:55,359
interest is renewed

4140
02:42:58,469 --> 02:42:57,040
we see another surge in interest with

4141
02:43:00,790 --> 02:42:58,479
the publication of books about

4142
02:43:02,389 --> 02:43:00,800
abductions and things in the 1980s again

4143
02:43:04,710 --> 02:43:02,399
in the 1990s when the us air force

4144
02:43:06,230 --> 02:43:04,720
reinvestigates the roswell incident you

4145
02:43:08,710 --> 02:43:06,240
know and it continues

4146
02:43:10,469 --> 02:43:08,720
again we saw another sort of surge

4147
02:43:12,790 --> 02:43:10,479
coinciding with the aforementioned

4148
02:43:14,309 --> 02:43:12,800
sightings wave over stephenville texas

4149
02:43:16,389 --> 02:43:14,319
and in part

4150
02:43:18,070 --> 02:43:16,399
because an object that was tracked on

4151
02:43:19,750 --> 02:43:18,080
radar according to my understanding flew

4152
02:43:22,710 --> 02:43:19,760
dangerously close at least in terms of

4153
02:43:25,830 --> 02:43:22,720
national security to the ranch

4154
02:43:26,870 --> 02:43:25,840
home in texas of then president george w

4155
02:43:29,030 --> 02:43:26,880
bush

4156
02:43:31,429 --> 02:43:29,040
and so you look at the periodicity of

4157
02:43:33,750 --> 02:43:31,439
these ufo flaps peaks you know in

4158
02:43:36,550 --> 02:43:33,760
interest in the public that is something

4159
02:43:38,309 --> 02:43:36,560
that ebbs and flows like the tide over

4160
02:43:40,469 --> 02:43:38,319
time i wouldn't doubt that we would

4161
02:43:42,790 --> 02:43:40,479
actually see another period of decline

4162
02:43:45,110 --> 02:43:42,800
in interest before another

4163
02:43:46,550 --> 02:43:45,120
wave or another surge in interest for

4164
02:43:47,670 --> 02:43:46,560
some other kind of reason whatever may

4165
02:43:49,429 --> 02:43:47,680
drive that

4166
02:43:50,790 --> 02:43:49,439
but what is different right now about

4167
02:43:52,950 --> 02:43:50,800
what's happening and what has happened

4168
02:43:55,590 --> 02:43:52,960
in 2021 that in my opinion is going to

4169
02:43:58,309 --> 02:43:55,600
propel us on through 2022 and which may

4170
02:44:00,550 --> 02:43:58,319
result in more interest more

4171
02:44:01,670 --> 02:44:00,560
i'd almost loathe to use this term but i

4172
02:44:03,030 --> 02:44:01,680
think it's appropriate here more

4173
02:44:04,389 --> 02:44:03,040
revelations

4174
02:44:06,070 --> 02:44:04,399
would be the fact that

4175
02:44:08,710 --> 02:44:06,080
unlike in years past

4176
02:44:11,110 --> 02:44:08,720
for the first time since 1968 actually

4177
02:44:12,950 --> 02:44:11,120
early 1969 after the condon committee

4178
02:44:15,429 --> 02:44:12,960
issued its report and then blue book was

4179
02:44:17,910 --> 02:44:15,439
shut down early in the following year

4180
02:44:20,469 --> 02:44:17,920
we now have not only one already

4181
02:44:23,349 --> 02:44:20,479
established agency within government but

4182
02:44:24,630 --> 02:44:23,359
also we have now passed into law

4183
02:44:26,630 --> 02:44:24,640
the mandate essentially for the

4184
02:44:29,349 --> 02:44:26,640
establishment of this asro is outlined

4185
02:44:31,269 --> 02:44:29,359
by the gillibrand rubio amendment

4186
02:44:33,269 --> 02:44:31,279
so presumably within the next few months

4187
02:44:35,190 --> 02:44:33,279
maybe weeks i don't know how soon

4188
02:44:37,030 --> 02:44:35,200
but there should be two agencies within

4189
02:44:39,030 --> 02:44:37,040
government looking at uap

4190
02:44:40,950 --> 02:44:39,040
and if there is an active effort to try

4191
02:44:43,030 --> 02:44:40,960
and collect information

4192
02:44:44,790 --> 02:44:43,040
the historical corollary i would see for

4193
02:44:48,389 --> 02:44:44,800
what may await us in the months ahead

4194
02:44:51,670 --> 02:44:48,399
jimmy would be that period between 1952

4195
02:44:53,910 --> 02:44:51,680
and 1969 when the u.s air force actually

4196
02:44:55,349 --> 02:44:53,920
did have a systematic study

4197
02:44:57,910 --> 02:44:55,359
and i would actually dispute how

4198
02:44:58,950 --> 02:44:57,920
systematic it was at times at its very

4199
02:45:00,950 --> 02:44:58,960
worst

4200
02:45:03,190 --> 02:45:00,960
project blue book was a public relations

4201
02:45:04,950 --> 02:45:03,200
activity that was assuring the public

4202
02:45:07,030 --> 02:45:04,960
that this was being studied while in

4203
02:45:09,110 --> 02:45:07,040
fact the studies were actually very

4204
02:45:11,510 --> 02:45:09,120
limited and if anything were aimed at

4205
02:45:13,910 --> 02:45:11,520
trying to debunk uap

4206
02:45:16,309 --> 02:45:13,920
to the best of the air force's ability i

4207
02:45:18,630 --> 02:45:16,319
hope that the current investigative arms

4208
02:45:20,389 --> 02:45:18,640
within government will do better that

4209
02:45:23,830 --> 02:45:20,399
they will be transparent and that they

4210
02:45:26,309 --> 02:45:23,840
are more well armed for the task than

4211
02:45:28,309 --> 02:45:26,319
blue book investigators decades ago were

4212
02:45:29,990 --> 02:45:28,319
but again the corollary would be that

4213
02:45:32,230 --> 02:45:30,000
i'm hoping there will also be active

4214
02:45:33,750 --> 02:45:32,240
investigations and that there may be

4215
02:45:35,590 --> 02:45:33,760
more information forthcoming in the

4216
02:45:38,150 --> 02:45:35,600
months maybe even just in the weeks

4217
02:45:40,469 --> 02:45:38,160
ahead that remains to be seen but if if

4218
02:45:42,710 --> 02:45:40,479
that trend continues 2022 is going to be

4219
02:45:43,750 --> 02:45:42,720
hot and if 2021 was any indication of

4220
02:45:46,070 --> 02:45:43,760
how hot

4221
02:45:48,550 --> 02:45:46,080
it could be you know it could get pretty

4222
02:45:52,389 --> 02:45:48,560
hot let's just say well uh speaking of

4223
02:45:55,110 --> 02:45:52,399
investigations uh and going back to 2021

4224
02:45:56,950 --> 02:45:55,120
just like that uh triangle ufo that

4225
02:45:59,230 --> 02:45:56,960
seems to have disappeared

4226
02:46:02,710 --> 02:45:59,240
uh we have this this is dated may 3rd

4227
02:46:04,630 --> 02:46:02,720
2021 the expector general's office

4228
02:46:07,590 --> 02:46:04,640
department of defense

4229
02:46:09,269 --> 02:46:07,600
memorandum for distribution subject

4230
02:46:11,910 --> 02:46:09,279
evaluation of the department of

4231
02:46:15,110 --> 02:46:11,920
defense's actions regarding the

4232
02:46:18,230 --> 02:46:15,120
unidentified aerial phenomenon we plan

4233
02:46:21,830 --> 02:46:18,240
to begin the subject evaluation in may

4234
02:46:24,389 --> 02:46:21,840
2021 the objective of this evaluation is

4235
02:46:27,590 --> 02:46:24,399
to determine the extent to which the

4236
02:46:30,389 --> 02:46:27,600
department of defense has taken actions

4237
02:46:31,830 --> 02:46:30,399
regarding unidentified aerial phenomenon

4238
02:46:33,349 --> 02:46:31,840
uaps

4239
02:46:35,269 --> 02:46:33,359
their words

4240
02:46:37,349 --> 02:46:35,279
we may revise the objective as the

4241
02:46:39,590 --> 02:46:37,359
evaluation proceeds and we will consider

4242
02:46:42,870 --> 02:46:39,600
suggestions for management for

4243
02:46:45,830 --> 02:46:42,880
additional or revised objectives we will

4244
02:46:47,590 --> 02:46:45,840
perform the evaluation at the offices of

4245
02:46:50,870 --> 02:46:47,600
the secretary of defense

4246
02:46:53,910 --> 02:46:50,880
military services combatant commands

4247
02:46:56,309 --> 02:46:53,920
combat support agencies defense agencies

4248
02:46:59,670 --> 02:46:56,319
and the military criminal investigative

4249
02:47:02,150 --> 02:46:59,680
organizations we may identify additional

4250
02:47:04,790 --> 02:47:02,160
locations during the evaluation

4251
02:47:07,990 --> 02:47:04,800
please provide with us a point of

4252
02:47:10,870 --> 02:47:08,000
contact for the evaluation within five

4253
02:47:12,630 --> 02:47:10,880
days of the date of this memorandum

4254
02:47:14,630 --> 02:47:12,640
which was made third two thousand twenty

4255
02:47:16,790 --> 02:47:14,640
one the point of contact should be

4256
02:47:20,389 --> 02:47:16,800
government employee or military service

4257
02:47:22,309 --> 02:47:20,399
members a gs 15 pay band equivalent

4258
02:47:25,429 --> 02:47:22,319
or the military equivalent send the

4259
02:47:26,870 --> 02:47:25,439
contact's name title pay grade

4260
02:47:28,950 --> 02:47:26,880
and phone number

4261
02:47:31,750 --> 02:47:28,960
and email address to

4262
02:47:33,590 --> 02:47:31,760
that name has been redacted you can

4263
02:47:35,990 --> 02:47:33,600
obtain information about the department

4264
02:47:37,990 --> 02:47:36,000
of defense of the inspector general from

4265
02:47:41,510 --> 02:47:38,000
the department of defense directive

4266
02:47:47,349 --> 02:47:44,550
signed randolph r stone assistant

4267
02:47:51,750 --> 02:47:47,359
inspector general for evaluation space

4268
02:47:52,790 --> 02:47:51,760
intelligence engineering and oversight

4269
02:48:00,150 --> 02:47:52,800
very

4270
02:48:01,830 --> 02:48:00,160
we haven't heard anything since

4271
02:48:03,590 --> 02:48:01,840
yeah that was going to be my point again

4272
02:48:05,510 --> 02:48:03,600
you know the fact that the dod and that

4273
02:48:07,750 --> 02:48:05,520
story again you know tim mcmillan broke

4274
02:48:10,790 --> 02:48:07,760
over there at the debrief uh

4275
02:48:13,269 --> 02:48:10,800
involving a oig investigation within the

4276
02:48:15,590 --> 02:48:13,279
dod now that was again

4277
02:48:18,710 --> 02:48:15,600
seemingly not only of interest but maybe

4278
02:48:20,870 --> 02:48:18,720
even of greater pertinence in some ways

4279
02:48:23,510 --> 02:48:20,880
than the at that time what was still the

4280
02:48:24,550 --> 02:48:23,520
forthcoming uh odni report we've seen

4281
02:48:26,950 --> 02:48:24,560
the report

4282
02:48:29,030 --> 02:48:26,960
we've seen very little about this oig

4283
02:48:30,630 --> 02:48:29,040
investigation see so you know again what

4284
02:48:32,870 --> 02:48:30,640
was the office of the inspector

4285
02:48:34,309 --> 02:48:32,880
inspector general there investigating

4286
02:48:36,550 --> 02:48:34,319
and what were the results of that is

4287
02:48:38,469 --> 02:48:36,560
that still pending can we expect to see

4288
02:48:39,830 --> 02:48:38,479
results from that investigation these

4289
02:48:41,750 --> 02:48:39,840
are all questions on my mind but yeah

4290
02:48:43,910 --> 02:48:41,760
you're right i have not seen anything

4291
02:48:47,590 --> 02:48:43,920
about that since essentially the news

4292
02:48:50,630 --> 02:48:47,600
was initially reported now uh this was

4293
02:48:52,150 --> 02:48:50,640
central at the time uh around louie

4294
02:48:52,950 --> 02:48:52,160
lozando

4295
02:48:54,070 --> 02:48:52,960
and

4296
02:48:57,750 --> 02:48:54,080
uh

4297
02:48:59,349 --> 02:48:57,760
the director of intelligence and the

4298
02:49:01,429 --> 02:48:59,359
reason for this

4299
02:49:04,950 --> 02:49:01,439
uh danny sheehan

4300
02:49:06,790 --> 02:49:04,960
the missing emails uh some of the

4301
02:49:09,830 --> 02:49:06,800
uh derogatory statements that were

4302
02:49:13,030 --> 02:49:09,840
pointed back at uh lou elizondo

4303
02:49:16,150 --> 02:49:13,040
and the way that this was worded uh to

4304
02:49:18,309 --> 02:49:16,160
me my god the way that i took it

4305
02:49:21,429 --> 02:49:18,319
and i don't think i'm wrong here

4306
02:49:22,950 --> 02:49:21,439
that uh the director at at that point uh

4307
02:49:25,110 --> 02:49:22,960
the inspector general didn't know

4308
02:49:28,150 --> 02:49:25,120
anything about uaps

4309
02:49:30,550 --> 02:49:28,160
and suddenly all of this is is being

4310
02:49:33,269 --> 02:49:30,560
dropped on their lap uh what did the

4311
02:49:35,750 --> 02:49:33,279
intelligence agencies know well what did

4312
02:49:39,030 --> 02:49:35,760
what was the military doing had there

4313
02:49:41,030 --> 02:49:39,040
been actions taken about uaps and also

4314
02:49:43,030 --> 02:49:41,040
that susan goff had been making

4315
02:49:45,750 --> 02:49:43,040
statements on behalf of the department

4316
02:49:47,510 --> 02:49:45,760
of defense about uaps but the inspector

4317
02:49:49,750 --> 02:49:47,520
general of the department of defense

4318
02:49:52,150 --> 02:49:49,760
didn't know anything

4319
02:49:55,830 --> 02:49:52,160
and wanted to know what was going on

4320
02:49:57,670 --> 02:49:55,840
with uaps and who is doing stuff about

4321
02:50:00,070 --> 02:49:57,680
it and that's the way i read this

4322
02:50:02,150 --> 02:50:00,080
memorandum that the inspector general's

4323
02:50:03,910 --> 02:50:02,160
office was taken by surprise

4324
02:50:06,309 --> 02:50:03,920
yeah and that maybe

4325
02:50:08,070 --> 02:50:06,319
is not a surprising again i think you're

4326
02:50:09,670 --> 02:50:08,080
probably very close to being right and

4327
02:50:11,510 --> 02:50:09,680
that doesn't surprise me in the sense

4328
02:50:13,510 --> 02:50:11,520
that you're such a smart guy no i'm just

4329
02:50:16,150 --> 02:50:13,520
kidding actually no i'm not surprised by

4330
02:50:18,790 --> 02:50:16,160
the government response because again

4331
02:50:20,870 --> 02:50:18,800
they probably are not tasked

4332
02:50:23,030 --> 02:50:20,880
uh with looking i mean actually it's not

4333
02:50:25,510 --> 02:50:23,040
probably they are not tasked

4334
02:50:26,870 --> 02:50:25,520
specifically with looking at uap and so

4335
02:50:28,469 --> 02:50:26,880
when they're looking at

4336
02:50:30,150 --> 02:50:28,479
government involvement

4337
02:50:31,750 --> 02:50:30,160
with that issue and trying to assess you

4338
02:50:34,630 --> 02:50:31,760
know to what extent what actions have

4339
02:50:36,550 --> 02:50:34,640
been taken and other aspects of you know

4340
02:50:38,630 --> 02:50:36,560
an agency's involvement with that or

4341
02:50:40,389 --> 02:50:38,640
engagement with that topic they're not

4342
02:50:42,309 --> 02:50:40,399
looking at it going hold on you know

4343
02:50:43,349 --> 02:50:42,319
what do we know about ufos they're

4344
02:50:45,269 --> 02:50:43,359
saying

4345
02:50:47,190 --> 02:50:45,279
okay what is all this about and you know

4346
02:50:48,870 --> 02:50:47,200
what are the levels of engagement that

4347
02:50:50,790 --> 02:50:48,880
we have seen within this department this

4348
02:50:53,510 --> 02:50:50,800
office this branch etc

4349
02:50:55,269 --> 02:50:53,520
you know their main focus in in life is

4350
02:50:56,790 --> 02:50:55,279
not to try and discern what we know

4351
02:50:59,110 --> 02:50:56,800
about uap

4352
02:51:01,190 --> 02:50:59,120
and the fact that this investigation was

4353
02:51:02,710 --> 02:51:01,200
undertaken does not say so much that

4354
02:51:05,510 --> 02:51:02,720
they are interested in trying to find

4355
02:51:08,389 --> 02:51:05,520
out for instance what a branch office

4356
02:51:10,550 --> 02:51:08,399
agency etc might know about that topic

4357
02:51:13,190 --> 02:51:10,560
they are trying to evaluate the actions

4358
02:51:15,429 --> 02:51:13,200
taken it so happens to be

4359
02:51:17,429 --> 02:51:15,439
that that was the primary subject of

4360
02:51:19,429 --> 02:51:17,439
interest but again in this case i mean

4361
02:51:21,190 --> 02:51:19,439
there have been plenty of investigations

4362
02:51:23,030 --> 02:51:21,200
that have been undertaken over the years

4363
02:51:23,910 --> 02:51:23,040
similarly i don't doubt many more in

4364
02:51:26,870 --> 02:51:23,920
fact

4365
02:51:28,550 --> 02:51:26,880
far few involving uap right so that was

4366
02:51:30,309 --> 02:51:28,560
what was novel about this the only other

4367
02:51:32,870 --> 02:51:30,319
thing too in my opinion being the fact

4368
02:51:34,309 --> 02:51:32,880
that the timing of course in the midst

4369
02:51:36,950 --> 02:51:34,319
of there being a lawsuit that lou

4370
02:51:37,910 --> 02:51:36,960
elizondo was bringing against the dod uh

4371
02:51:39,750 --> 02:51:37,920
you know his

4372
02:51:41,190 --> 02:51:39,760
emails missing and presumably referring

4373
02:51:42,790 --> 02:51:41,200
of course to the fact that as john

4374
02:51:44,870 --> 02:51:42,800
greenwald had attempted to try and gain

4375
02:51:46,309 --> 02:51:44,880
access to some of the emails that

4376
02:51:47,590 --> 02:51:46,319
existed he was told that there were no

4377
02:51:49,750 --> 02:51:47,600
such records

4378
02:51:51,830 --> 02:51:49,760
uh responded to his request whereas in

4379
02:51:54,790 --> 02:51:51,840
fact we should know that based on the

4380
02:51:56,630 --> 02:51:54,800
time that louis lozando served and the

4381
02:51:58,870 --> 02:51:56,640
office to which he served and the period

4382
02:52:00,710 --> 02:51:58,880
and everything there should have been

4383
02:52:02,950 --> 02:52:00,720
these you know these correspondences

4384
02:52:04,389 --> 02:52:02,960
should have been accessible so

4385
02:52:05,670 --> 02:52:04,399
the fact that this occurs i don't know

4386
02:52:07,269 --> 02:52:05,680
that there's any kind of explicit

4387
02:52:09,510 --> 02:52:07,279
relationship but the fact that this

4388
02:52:11,510 --> 02:52:09,520
investigation was announced

4389
02:52:14,389 --> 02:52:11,520
roughly coinciding with that while the

4390
02:52:16,469 --> 02:52:14,399
odni report was pending and of course

4391
02:52:19,110 --> 02:52:16,479
once the odni report was issued it

4392
02:52:20,469 --> 02:52:19,120
stated that uh there should be a

4393
02:52:22,790 --> 02:52:20,479
investigative

4394
02:52:24,950 --> 02:52:22,800
you know group established and that this

4395
02:52:28,309 --> 02:52:24,960
would be this report this preliminary

4396
02:52:30,150 --> 02:52:28,319
assessment from june was to inform

4397
02:52:32,230 --> 02:52:30,160
policy and decision making for these

4398
02:52:34,070 --> 02:52:32,240
future endeavors well again in other

4399
02:52:36,150 --> 02:52:34,080
words what that report actually directed

4400
02:52:38,950 --> 02:52:36,160
was the establishment of what we now

4401
02:52:40,950 --> 02:52:38,960
know of course as the aoi msg

4402
02:52:42,389 --> 02:52:40,960
right it's all laid out right there and

4403
02:52:43,990 --> 02:52:42,399
then furthermore actually there was a

4404
02:52:46,070 --> 02:52:44,000
memorandum that was released the same

4405
02:52:47,990 --> 02:52:46,080
day as the odni report

4406
02:52:50,790 --> 02:52:48,000
from kathleen hicks

4407
02:52:53,190 --> 02:52:50,800
and that memorandum actually stated even

4408
02:52:55,429 --> 02:52:53,200
more explicitly uh you know what the

4409
02:52:57,510 --> 02:52:55,439
government was being directed to do and

4410
02:52:59,269 --> 02:52:57,520
what the formation of the forthcoming

4411
02:53:02,870 --> 02:52:59,279
you know successor to

4412
02:53:05,269 --> 02:53:02,880
the uap task force the aoi msg

4413
02:53:07,110 --> 02:53:05,279
was to be in when the time frame for its

4414
02:53:09,110 --> 02:53:07,120
establishment should be all those things

4415
02:53:10,550 --> 02:53:09,120
essentially came to fruition so in the

4416
02:53:13,510 --> 02:53:10,560
context of all those things that were

4417
02:53:14,950 --> 02:53:13,520
happening in 2021 that oig investigation

4418
02:53:15,750 --> 02:53:14,960
it being announced in the midst of all

4419
02:53:17,110 --> 02:53:15,760
that

4420
02:53:18,469 --> 02:53:17,120
to me is one of the most interesting

4421
02:53:20,790 --> 02:53:18,479
things even though of course that is

4422
02:53:22,389 --> 02:53:20,800
perhaps to be expected given all the

4423
02:53:25,030 --> 02:53:22,399
interest that topic was seeing at that

4424
02:53:27,910 --> 02:53:25,040
time yeah and kathleen hicks uh

4425
02:53:30,950 --> 02:53:27,920
explicitly stated that was a direct it a

4426
02:53:32,469 --> 02:53:30,960
directorate yeah i want reports within

4427
02:53:35,349 --> 02:53:32,479
two weeks

4428
02:53:37,269 --> 02:53:35,359
and that was uh extraordinary and again

4429
02:53:38,870 --> 02:53:37,279
back to this uh

4430
02:53:40,309 --> 02:53:38,880
memorandum here from the inspector

4431
02:53:43,190 --> 02:53:40,319
general's office

4432
02:53:46,630 --> 02:53:43,200
uh is this line the objective of this

4433
02:53:48,309 --> 02:53:46,640
evaluation is to determine the extent to

4434
02:53:52,150 --> 02:53:48,319
which the dod

4435
02:53:54,550 --> 02:53:52,160
has taken actions regarding unidentified

4436
02:53:57,349 --> 02:53:54,560
aerial phenomena extraordinary

4437
02:53:58,870 --> 02:53:57,359
extraordinary developments in 2021 i

4438
02:54:01,269 --> 02:53:58,880
mean it was just

4439
02:54:03,510 --> 02:54:01,279
one thing after another and this

4440
02:54:05,830 --> 02:54:03,520
was a month before

4441
02:54:08,469 --> 02:54:05,840
the uap a month and a half before the

4442
02:54:10,790 --> 02:54:08,479
uap task force report was released

4443
02:54:13,830 --> 02:54:10,800
exactly and so again my hope maybe as we

4444
02:54:15,510 --> 02:54:13,840
move into 2022 is if there are results

4445
02:54:17,349 --> 02:54:15,520
forthcoming that are released to the

4446
02:54:18,469 --> 02:54:17,359
public with regard to that investigation

4447
02:54:21,590 --> 02:54:18,479
and other things too you know the

4448
02:54:23,030 --> 02:54:21,600
forthcoming findings of the aoi msg and

4449
02:54:25,830 --> 02:54:23,040
maybe more importantly i'm actually

4450
02:54:27,750 --> 02:54:25,840
holding out more hope for the asro

4451
02:54:30,150 --> 02:54:27,760
as outlined in the ndaa i just got to

4452
02:54:32,389 --> 02:54:30,160
say one more thing though not only do

4453
02:54:34,710 --> 02:54:32,399
you keep up to speed on all this stuff

4454
02:54:38,150 --> 02:54:34,720
as well as or in some cases better than

4455
02:54:40,230 --> 02:54:38,160
many ufo researchers that i know uh

4456
02:54:42,150 --> 02:54:40,240
i think that you also are able

4457
02:54:43,910 --> 02:54:42,160
to play in this sandbox and keep up with

4458
02:54:45,670 --> 02:54:43,920
these acronyms and abbreviations they

4459
02:54:47,349 --> 02:54:45,680
drive me nuts

4460
02:54:48,790 --> 02:54:47,359
i want another blue book give me a name

4461
02:54:50,389 --> 02:54:48,800
i can pronounce and that rolls off the

4462
02:54:52,870 --> 02:54:50,399
tongue that we can all easily remember

4463
02:54:58,150 --> 02:54:52,880
right not asr oh put that t in there

4464
02:55:02,790 --> 02:54:59,750
thank you what a great conversation

4465
02:55:04,230 --> 02:55:02,800
tonight micah uh what is next up over at

4466
02:55:05,830 --> 02:55:04,240
the debris are you guys breaking

4467
02:55:08,150 --> 02:55:05,840
anything this week

4468
02:55:11,269 --> 02:55:08,160
well if we were i couldn't tell you yeah

4469
02:55:13,429 --> 02:55:11,279
come on man nobody it's just you and i

4470
02:55:15,190 --> 02:55:13,439
uh yeah yeah just you and i and all

4471
02:55:16,469 --> 02:55:15,200
those fine folks who tune in every week

4472
02:55:18,309 --> 02:55:16,479
and listen to your program every night

4473
02:55:19,670 --> 02:55:18,319
in fact but yeah we've always got things

4474
02:55:21,590 --> 02:55:19,680
in the works over there at the debrief

4475
02:55:23,269 --> 02:55:21,600
i've also got some personal projects

4476
02:55:24,309 --> 02:55:23,279
that i am looking at trying to launch

4477
02:55:25,349 --> 02:55:24,319
this year

4478
02:55:26,630 --> 02:55:25,359
um

4479
02:55:27,910 --> 02:55:26,640
and you'll be the first to know about

4480
02:55:29,510 --> 02:55:27,920
those let me just put that out there you

4481
02:55:31,830 --> 02:55:29,520
know i've got i've got a couple of irons

4482
02:55:33,910 --> 02:55:31,840
in the fire related to this topic

4483
02:55:35,910 --> 02:55:33,920
and uh that i hope that in addition to

4484
02:55:38,469 --> 02:55:35,920
the ongoing efforts of the debrief team

4485
02:55:40,309 --> 02:55:38,479
you know tim mj chrissy chris plain

4486
02:55:41,429 --> 02:55:40,319
steve mcdaniel all of us over there and

4487
02:55:44,230 --> 02:55:41,439
the work that we're doing christina

4488
02:55:47,349 --> 02:55:44,240
gomez of course she's amazing christina

4489
02:55:49,349 --> 02:55:47,359
is amazing chrissy chrissy blows my mind

4490
02:55:51,190 --> 02:55:49,359
i've got to get chrissy on this show

4491
02:55:53,910 --> 02:55:51,200
yeah let's do yeah no i've got to get

4492
02:55:57,349 --> 02:55:53,920
chrissy on the show uh she's just uh

4493
02:55:59,910 --> 02:55:57,359
she's unbelievable but uh what when you

4494
02:56:01,590 --> 02:55:59,920
say personal projects though oh

4495
02:56:04,389 --> 02:56:01,600
give me one

4496
02:56:06,070 --> 02:56:04,399
well you know i've got several writing

4497
02:56:07,590 --> 02:56:06,080
projects as in books that i've been

4498
02:56:09,429 --> 02:56:07,600
working on over the last couple of years

4499
02:56:10,710 --> 02:56:09,439
and i'm hoping i mean it's a new year's

4500
02:56:13,750 --> 02:56:10,720
resolution

4501
02:56:15,670 --> 02:56:13,760
uh to get one of those done this year

4502
02:56:18,230 --> 02:56:15,680
and the one i'm focusing on primarily

4503
02:56:19,910 --> 02:56:18,240
right now does involve uap

4504
02:56:21,349 --> 02:56:19,920
with everything going on

4505
02:56:22,550 --> 02:56:21,359
it's always difficult to commit to that

4506
02:56:24,870 --> 02:56:22,560
but i've got some other things too

4507
02:56:26,710 --> 02:56:24,880
related to that topic and some things

4508
02:56:28,230 --> 02:56:26,720
not related to uap

4509
02:56:30,389 --> 02:56:28,240
you know me i've got interests all over

4510
02:56:32,389 --> 02:56:30,399
the place but it's just a juggling act

4511
02:56:33,510 --> 02:56:32,399
you know a tightrope walk every day of

4512
02:56:34,950 --> 02:56:33,520
the week

4513
02:56:36,710 --> 02:56:34,960
and i love it i wouldn't have it any

4514
02:56:39,750 --> 02:56:36,720
other way that was just

4515
02:56:40,300 --> 02:56:39,760
the most political answer non-committal

4516
02:56:42,150 --> 02:56:40,310
to

4517
02:56:44,389 --> 02:56:42,160
[Laughter]

4518
02:56:46,389 --> 02:56:44,399
i mean that was a dance

4519
02:56:49,349 --> 02:56:46,399
hey michael it was a tight rope look i'm

4520
02:56:50,550 --> 02:56:49,359
working on a damn book about ufos okay

4521
02:56:52,630 --> 02:56:50,560
and i'll come on your show and we'll

4522
02:56:55,349 --> 02:56:52,640
talk about it when it's done micah hanks

4523
02:56:57,590 --> 02:56:55,359
thank you so much man and and happy new

4524
02:56:59,510 --> 02:56:57,600
year it's going it's going to be an

4525
02:57:01,590 --> 02:56:59,520
amazing year and you're going to be part

4526
02:57:03,110 --> 02:57:01,600
of it thank you so much my friend i

4527
02:57:04,550 --> 02:57:03,120
agree and thank you for having me on we

4528
02:57:07,349 --> 02:57:04,560
always have a great time together let's

4529
02:57:08,389 --> 02:57:07,359
do it again the absolute very best micah

4530
02:57:11,349 --> 02:57:08,399
hanks

4531
02:57:13,830 --> 02:57:11,359
and he's right here with us on the on x

4532
02:57:15,429 --> 02:57:13,840
network i'm your host jimmy church i got

4533
02:57:18,070 --> 02:57:15,439
to get straight out of here because we

4534
02:57:19,910 --> 02:57:18,080
just went bumper to bumper pull the pole

4535
02:57:23,670 --> 02:57:19,920
tonight

4536
02:57:24,790 --> 02:57:23,680
tomorrow night right here emily harrison

4537
02:57:27,990 --> 02:57:24,800
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4538
02:57:30,150 --> 02:57:28,000
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4539
02:57:31,830 --> 02:57:30,160
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4553
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4554
02:58:02,230 --> 02:58:00,880
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02:58:11,250 --> 02:58:02,240
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